Boys school and Transgirls

[OurMamInHavianas]

I’m wondering if a transgirl can apply to a all-boys school?
Don’t girls typically perform better in exams in primary/early secondary, so any entrance exam or 11 plus/12 plus/13 plus exams would favour a female-born person.
So, we could end up with some boys’ school being populated with a large percentage of female-born people?

Just asking out of interest - this doesn’t affect me or my family personally.

*an, not a

Trans girls are "assigned male at birth".

Sorry, I meant transboys. Female-born people.

We’re not allowed to use the clearerterms used elsewhere on this forum.

Apologies for any confusion.

We’re not allowed to use the clearerterms used elsewhere on this forum
No, you just got it 180° wrong.
Your concern is pesky biological females colonising boys' selective schools, or have I also misunderstood?

I read it more as a genuine error, with a touch of "wouldn't it be amusing if female-born people took over the exclusive boys clubs of private schooling". Which is a feeling I can smirk at, tbh.

We have had threads on this before. I strongly suspect that most boys' schools would not allow trans boys (girls identifying as boys). Imagine the implications for Eton, Harrow, Winchester, Rugby and so on if parents cottoned on to the idea that all they had to do to get their daughters a superior education was to say they identified as boys.

However, I don't know if anyone has yet tried - and the real test would be in the law courts.

This is an awesome idea, and I hope they do. For every male in a female sporting event, females should nick a place in a boys school.

Is it not more that when it comes down to it, that those 'afab' will find they cannot identify themselves into boys selective schools. For some strange reason, identity doesn't seem to gain privileged access to those 'afab' people the way it does those 'amab'.

@HirplesWithHaggis

Trans girls are "assigned male at birth".

No one is assigned a sex at birth - I’m assuming your quote marks are to show you know that to be the case?

My dds single sex girls school has said it will support girls who identify as boys but not allow male born people identifying as girls.

Not sure how they stand legally with this

I think single sex schools will probably take the path of sex based access? Coed schools is where the issues will occur.

The 11+ exam generally favours boys. Even in the mixed grammar schools in our area there are more boys than girls because they tend to get higher test score on the types of questions in the 11+

This is why trans girls/trans women should not be used. OP won't be the only one making that mistake and is why when told TWAW the reply is sometimes a confusef 'of course': people not familiar with the debate think you are referring to an adult human female who identifies as a man.

Children can't change their legal sex. Birth certificates sex will enable the elite schools to pick their students...

@Bryonyshcmyony

My dds single sex girls school has said it will support girls who identify as boys but not allow male born people identifying as girls.

Not sure how they stand legally with this

They are in line with the law which is based on sex not vague concepts of identifying as something.

I agree with it

Dd gets pissed off with PSHE though where the teacher bangs on about how it's important to use people's pronouns and how they'd be discriminatory not to let a boy who identified as a girl in, but then when dd asks if she could go to the allied boys school if she identified as a boy, the teachers gets all huffy and says no of course not

I screenshotted this from the admissions policy of a boys' school.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic-and that means at all stages of reassignment

I'd be very interested to see what would happen if this was challenged legally

I can imagine people being up in arms unlike when biological males want to join the guides and it's all 'settle down dears!'

@BingBongSong

I screenshotted this from the admissions policy of a boys' school.

Bonus that they don’t say assigned. I hate that phrasing - makes it sound like a random pick as baby emerges instead of what it is- I know what sex the baby I’m 12 weeks pregnant with is.

@HirplesWithHaggis

I read it more as a genuine error, with a touch of "wouldn't it be amusing if female-born people took over the exclusive boys clubs of private schooling". Which is a feeling I can smirk at, tbh.

As did I ;)

@EverythingsComingUpRoses

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic-and that means at all stages of reassignment

I'd be very interested to see what would happen if this was challenged legally

I can imagine people being up in arms unlike when biological males want to join the guides and it's all 'settle down dears!'

You must not treat a boy differently from other boys because he identifies as a girl. So it would be discriminatory if a boys school asked a transgirl to leave.

Am I right in thinking that the meaning of 'gender reassignment' is not very clear from the Equality Act? Whereas we all know what we mean by male/female, and used to be very clear what woman/girl/man/boy and other sex-related terms meant.

The terms transwoman/transman/transboy/transgirl are extremely confusing. I doubt this is accidental. I much prefer the ones we're not allowed to use here, which get abbreviated to something like the speaking clock of yore and an image format acronym.

Anyway, the Masons have so far been able to continue to exclude females from membership, while allowing transwomen who were members before transition to stay on.

Also, of course, famously the GRA makes it plain that a a female who transitions and gets a GRC will still be a female for the purposes of who inherits a peerage - so elder daughters are still behind sons in the queue to become a Lord, Duke, Earl etc. Revealing.

@timeisnotaline yes, the creeping introduction of the term 'assigned at birth' is gaslighting a generation to mistrust the medical and scientific profession: "doctors, huh, what do they know! Trust a bunch of internet strangers identifying your 'feelz' instead." It's in the same territory as the antivaxxer, Scopes Trial stuff.

"Bonus that they don’t say assigned. I hate that phrasing - makes it sound like a random pick as baby emerges"
To me it always brings to mind the Hogwarts sorting hat.

@EverythingsComingUpRoses

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic-and that means at all stages of reassignment

I'd be very interested to see what would happen if this was challenged legally

I can imagine people being up in arms unlike when biological males want to join the guides and it's all 'settle down dears!'

But I thought gender reassignment only legally applied to adults. For anyone under 18, the protected characteristics of gender reassignment doesn't exist so boys schools wouldn't have to admit any girls and vice versa with girls schools.