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I think I've figured out why the Guilty Feminists feel guilty...

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 09/08/2021 15:19

@Glinner sent this round today:

"(From a thread by @Forwomenscot) The CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis has said "Sexual violence happens to bigoted people too. But if you bring beliefs that are discriminatory, expect to be challenged on your prejudice. Reframe your trauma" Apparently, survivors are to be "educated" in this service."

The CEO is Mridul Wadhwa, a male person who does not have a GRC and who believes that rape victims orgasm.

The podcast twitter account is blocking everyone who says "WTF?" etc

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WarriorN · 13/08/2021 07:36

So which is it?!

cariadlet · 13/08/2021 07:49

I didn't read my own screenshot! Job was advertised in July and closing date was 4th August. It came up in my Twitter feed this morning so I thought it was new. It must have just come to people's attention because of everything that's going on.

WarriorN · 13/08/2021 07:59

[quote ifIwerenotanandroid]Has this been linked here yet?

edinburghrapecrisis.wixsite.com/ercc/post/statement[/quote]

Sounds like the lawyers are now involved.

WarriorN · 13/08/2021 07:59

Sorry, yes, that's a new one. I meant who can actually apply!

NecessaryScene · 13/08/2021 08:00

So which is it?!

I see no reason to believe it is legal to have a post only open to certain males. The equality act says that certain things can be female-only for a particular aims - safety, dignity, etc.

There's no provision for "exclude most males, except an elite few", as that then slips away from the "female-only" allowance that permits the discrimination against males.

LastSummerHere · 13/08/2021 08:05

@cariadlet

The Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre is now advertising for a COO. The "role requires an experienced and effective feminist leader" and they "especially welcome applications from... transwomen" yet "Only women need to apply for the above posts under... the Equality Act".

So much wrong here. A feminist is not going to be supportive of crappy gender ideology so how can they say they want a feminist AND welcome applications from 'TW'? And a 'TW' is not a woman so again, how can a 'TW' apply? This organisation is being damaged beyond all repair because they stupidly and disgustingly chose to elevate the desires of one man above the needs of many women.

WomaninBoots · 13/08/2021 08:14

If we can't even protect the actual most vulnerable women from the excesses of narcissistic males then society is basically fucked isn't it? Rape crisis. Prisons.

It's sickening.

And a load of privileged women sitting around knowing they are unlikely to ever need a rape crisis centre or end up in a prison cell.... cheering it all on. Calling women who don't cheer it on "bigots".

Fuck the fucking fuck off.

NecessaryScene · 13/08/2021 08:19

If we can't even protect the actual most vulnerable women from the excesses of narcissistic males then society is basically fucked isn't it? Rape crisis. Prisons.

Well, that's why Press For Change specifically targetted prisons. There's a level of central control that allowed them to target just a couple of small departments, and if they can pull that one off, they've undermined the whole thing. MW's appointment is in the same vein of attacking the foundations.

WomaninBoots · 13/08/2021 08:38

It is really grim that the campaigners have gone after these types of women's spaces. Either because these places are easy targets for leveraging their ideology (very self-centered and manipulative) or because they are somehow more attracted to places where vulnerable women are...

The depth and coordination involved through all of society's power structures is boggling. Especially contrasted with the narrative of "the most oppressed and marginalised". Nah mate, you ain't that.

Tibtom · 13/08/2021 08:41

Why 'especially welcome' applicants from transwomen? That is the sort of 'positive discrimination' phrase used to try and get more of an unrepresented group to apply. They must have a lot of senior employees if transwomen are unrepresented. If there is no legitimate reason to specifically bring more transwomen into the organisation then is it even legal to use this phrase in the advert? (ignoring for the moment their discrimination against other men on the basis of gender reassignment).

cariadlet · 13/08/2021 08:43

I do like to think about them all at the end of recording that episode of TGF, sitting around smugly and thinking "Well, that went well," waiting for the congratulations about how inclusive they are to roll in.

And having absolutely no idea that the shit was about to hit the fan.

TabbyStar · 13/08/2021 08:44

And a load of privileged women sitting around knowing they are unlikely to ever need a rape crisis centre or end up in a prison cell.... cheering it all on. Calling women who don't cheer it on "bigots".

This is what pisses me off, there are lots of middle class, well-educated 20s and 30s women (and some men, but mainly women) in policy type jobs in the voluntary sector advertising their pronouns and "innocently" asking whether transwomen are included in services, whilst there's lots of us on the ground who are often here because we have our own significant experience of trauma, many of us from working class backgrounds, who are completely silenced yet also personally distressed because we've been there too. Of course I might be making assumptions about other people, but somehow I doubt it. Yet they constantly also pay lip service to the "voices of people with lived experience". It makes me furious.

Tibtom · 13/08/2021 08:47

And a load of privileged women sitting around knowing they are unlikely to ever need a rape crisis centre

Hmm
NecessaryScene · 13/08/2021 08:49

Why 'especially welcome' applicants from transwomen? That is the sort of 'positive discrimination' phrase used to try and get more of an unrepresented group to apply. They must have a lot of senior employees if transwomen are unrepresented.

They've pivoted (as seems to be increasingly common) from "representation" justification for "positive" discrimination to "progressive stack" thinking.

The more people from "oppressed" groups the better, even if totally non-representative.

In this thinking you're more "diverse" if all your members are from the same minority. You're overcompensating for other people's lack of diversity.

So if the rape crisis centre was 100% staffed by transwomen, that would be optimal, as it would maximise total number of oppressed staff, and it would be incredibly diverse.

R0wantrees · 13/08/2021 08:58

It is really grim that the campaigners have gone after these types of women's spaces. Either because these places are easy targets for leveraging their ideology (very self-centered and manipulative) or because they are somehow more attracted to places where vulnerable women are...

James Morton (Scottish Trans Alliance) 2018 TRA conference organised by Jane Fae, 'We're Still Here'

(extract)
6) GETTING THE GRA WE WANT

This was a workshop with 3 experts sitting with groups and talking through activism. They were:

Helen Belcher (Lib Dems, Trans Media Watch)
James Morton (Scottish Transgender Alliance)
Alex Moore (GenderJam). Moore is from N Ireland.

James Morton gave some insight into tactics the TRAs will probably start using in England and Wales as they were successful in Scotland.

He said the TRAs need to build allies in mainstream women and children’s organisations so it looks like they care about them.

He also said what worked in Scotland's was a “constructive, friendly, innocent” tone when debating or in dialogue with the GC side. To be mindful about who is watching- essentially like what we do with the lurkers on the FWR board. To make the TRAs look like the reasonable side.

James also said that in dialect with elected officials, to clarify that the trans side aren’t silencing anyone but want to clarify the misconceptions being bandied around by GC feminists. (continues)

James Morton talked about how they can get rid of “gender” markers on things like IT systems and places where it isn’t relevant- apparently GDPR might be able to help them here.

JM’s campaigning tips were to gain trust in the local community- and to approach moderate feminists, “correct misconceptions and forgive any ignorance they may have displayed”. They want to gain trust and make themselves likeable.

Apparently small acts like helping to campaign about period poverty or retweeting the local branch of Women’s Aid will make a difference and result in some reciprocation. They want to make it look like they care about Women's issues so they don’t appear threatening"
(continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

2019 Engender podcast
Mridul Wadwha described (see screenshot by ForWomen Scotland) bringing in Scottish Trans Alliance (STA) to guide helpline volunteers whilst Wadwha sifted out potential volunteers who might raise concerns about the impact of gender identity ideology on women and effective rape counselling services.

I think I've figured out why the Guilty Feminists feel guilty...
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/08/2021 08:59

I do like to think about them all at the end of recording that episode of TGF, sitting around smugly and thinking "Well, that went well," waiting for the congratulations about how inclusive they are to roll in.

And having absolutely no idea that the shit was about to hit the fan.

I honestly don't think they are that self aware enough to realise that shit has hit the fan. We are all just bigots in need of re-education, to these people.

WomaninBoots · 13/08/2021 08:59

Sorry Tibtom, clumsily worded from me. I know women from any background can end up needed help from a RCC... I mean the people that are all smug about bring inclusive think it's not somewhere they will ever be, I guess.

I'm very angry so not expressing myself well.

R0wantrees · 13/08/2021 09:03

Well, that's why Press For Change specifically targetted prisons. There's a level of central control that allowed them to target just a couple of small departments, and if they can pull that one off, they've undermined the whole thing. MW's appointment is in the same vein of attacking the foundations.

James Morton of the Scottish Trans Alliance was involved in the Scottish Prisons Policy which deals with transgender prisoners. Morton is quoted as saying:

‘We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’.

gendercriticalwoman.wordpress.com/2019/09/19/ministry-of-justice-new-policy-on-caring-for-transgender-prisoners/

mollythemeerkat · 13/08/2021 09:10

Rowantrees - your last post is terrifying. The tactics of takeover expressed by JM are so cynical - I wonder though, if individual like MW, fuck up their plans by making their tactics so obvious.

KohlaParasanda · 13/08/2021 09:13

@WomaninBoots

If we can't even protect the actual most vulnerable women from the excesses of narcissistic males then society is basically fucked isn't it? Rape crisis. Prisons.

It's sickening.

And a load of privileged women sitting around knowing they are unlikely to ever need a rape crisis centre or end up in a prison cell.... cheering it all on. Calling women who don't cheer it on "bigots".

Fuck the fucking fuck off.

"First they came for the prisons, and I did not speak because I am a law abiding person."
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/08/2021 09:15

I wonder though, if individual like MW, fuck up their plans by making their tactics so obvious.

Maybe so. But I'm not sure these individuals care, it's more fun to do it in plain sight and be able to claim victimhood to boot.

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R0wantrees · 13/08/2021 09:31

@mollythemeerkat

Rowantrees - your last post is terrifying. The tactics of takeover expressed by JM are so cynical - I wonder though, if individual like MW, fuck up their plans by making their tactics so obvious.
Morton is following the tactics that Press For Change used to achieve GRA and shape public policies. These have all been described by the activists involved in social engineering:

STILLTish via Twitter
"Maybe read Christine Burns book and the chapter about how they “strategised “ to get males in women’s prison. Not an accident. A strategy. What you are seeing now is a backlash because of overreach and utter contempt for vulnerable women."

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1362032434838204416

Guardian 2013
(extract)
"In the 90s, when [Christine Burns] was chair of the Women's Supper Club of the local Conservative party association in Cheshire, she quietly joined Press for Change. Even then, the new activists dared not be openly trans. "The thing that held us back in the 1990s campaigning was that fear of being out," admits Burns. Eventually, she came out in 1995; she jokes that she realised she was more embarrassed to be a member of the Conservative party than openly transsexual.

Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press". (continues)
www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

relevant thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

I think I've figured out why the Guilty Feminists feel guilty...
I think I've figured out why the Guilty Feminists feel guilty...
RedToothBrush · 13/08/2021 09:44

We have an organised political grouping who have a strategy to expand their ideology. Its coordinated. It has certain goals.

We know that there was an active desire to slip things 'under the radar' before the public noticed.

We know that its being pushed hardest in particular places. Places that are typically full of young or vulnerable individuals with little or no political agency of their own.

We know its targeting the third sector.

Its not new.

cariadlet · 13/08/2021 09:57

@R0wantrees Very scary extract. The way events have played out shows how successful the strategies have been.

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