Censored for stating facts - guardian olympics blog

[HermioneKipper]

I’m so angry and feeling like the world has gone mad.

The guardian olympics liveblog has commented about the women’s 200m being amazing and that Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi ran great races. Plus adding an article from Seb Coe saying that this proves the new rules are working.

I tried commenting underneath but all my comments are being deleted despite stating facts and saying nothing abusive. All I said was that these athletes have xy chromosomes and that these levels of testosterone would result in women being banned for doping. Perhaps saying that it’s not a fair playing field and medals have been snatched from female athletes who’ve trained all their lives caused me to get deleted 🤷‍♀️

It feels like we’ve entered the black mirrorverse and a really bad joke.

It's The Guardian. They don't do inconvenient facts.

They were doing the same yesterday about Hubbard.

It’s a news outlet though. They’re not reporting the facts and censoring people for stating them. It’s wrong.

You’re right though. It’s deeply depressing

@AlfonsoTheMango

It's The Guardian. They don't do inconvenient facts.

It's The Guardian - they don't know the difference between fact and fiction. Which is why so many of us have cancelled our subscriptions.

I’ve cancelled my subscription too and sent them a strongly worded email as to why

They won’t care. They’re deep into cult territory.

They’ve not been a news outfit for a very long time!

(Good to hear you’ve cancelled though!)

Good for you HermioneKipper

I cancelled my subscription years ago for the same reason. Despite some of their good investigative journalism, when they became so invested in promoting a misogynistic ideology and actively silencing women's voices so they could pretend that there was no debate, I dumped them. Nothing I have seen since has ever motivated me to return.

So, what type of society do we now live in?

Women speaking for their rights is hate speech.

Women and facts have been cancelled.

Best thing about the guardian is you can get the recipes and read restaurants reviews. Then ignore their pleading for money. Love it

Don’t support women you can do one if you are getting any cash off me

Just me or is 'Power to...' rather a Marxist formulation?

I'd start thinking I'd gone down one too many YouTube rabbitholes but I have heard more than a few activists using 'Rest In Power' for RIP (where's that eye roll emoji when you need it?)

Not good reporting. But the way I read Seb Coe, he's saying that Mboma's performance in 200 shows that they made the right decision about 400. And he suggests that decision could be extended to other events, and that the 200 will be coming under scrutiny. And that the 800 is seeing the right people winning now it's not open to athletes with the specified DSDs.

So not as depressing an article as I expected.

The headline's misleading (shock).

So Seb Coe is down the rabbit hole too, is that what you said OP??

You and I use the Guardian website in a strikingly similar way, littl!

The Times had a nice dig at the Guardian in an article today.
Entitled “JKR and the secret birthday”
“There was a surprising omission in the Guardian’s birthdays column on Saturday, which failed to note that JK Rowling had turned 56.
Some wondered if this was to do with the author’s belief that women don’t have penises, which has upset some Guardian readers. Had she been cancelled?
The section editor was less than convincing in his response. Space was tight, he said, choices have to be made.
And so they dropped the most successful author on the planet.
Still, at least they found room for Dean Cain, the 1990’s Superman actor, Victoria Azarenka the world no 15 in tennis, and the jazz guitarist Kenny Burrell!”
Priceless.

It's worth remembering that although the Graun is owned by the Scott Trust, it isn't exactly unbiased, as it has a number of other sources of income.

see here under 'partners'.

They've taken over $600,000 over the past two years from the Open Society Foundations, who are all in favour self ID - see here

So whilst they are owned by the Scott Trust, it's worth bearing in mind that they are not, um, entirely uninfluenced by external sources.

@oldwomanwhoruns

So Seb Coe is down the rabbit hole too, is that what you said OP??

Having tracked down a bit more of his statement at the Telegraph, not too impressed with Coe.

www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2021/08/04/seb-coe-defends-athletics-testosterone-rules-never-going-satisfy/amp/

It's about "keeping people in" the competition, apparently. Strangely, the Guardian quotes his more equivocal lines. Still, he's defending a system he takes credit for, so not such a surprise. Shame though.

Interesting that Sean Ingle managed to lay out tge terms if the trans controversy reasonably well here www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/02/laurel-hubbards-olympic-dream-dies-under-worlds-gaze, almost as though the "Comment is free, but facts are sacred" were reversed! The Grauniad probably know that hardly anyone reads the paper all the way through anymore, so the cherry-picking readers will be satisfied with comment minus news...?

Guardian and Observer journalists can (sometimes) report accurately and make valid commentary in their articles (and even editorials) which would be deleted if an ordinary person made it below the line.
This has always been the case.
What I take from it that there is an army of overzealous moderators/censors employed to moderate the comments section, whereas the decision about what to allow in an actual article goes to actual editors.
You could try submitting your comment as a letter to the editor (there's no guarantee).
But yes, the overzealous censorship of online comments there has long been a disgrace.

I mean just look at this reply. I get deleted for posting actual facts and this absolute bullshit is allowed to stand. What a farce

@HermioneKipper 🙄🙄🙄 Good Grief

Misogynistic tradition?
What, fucking hell, women being able to compete at all in sport is misogynistic..... Who knew.

Christ, I feel as though we're back in the middle ages but with internet porn addicts included.

What has happened to the education system? Seriously.

I had a very similar experience on the CBC website within the last year, I made a factual point on a story and they deleted it. I has foolishly assumed no one had mentioned it in the comments because they weren't aware, but that was not the reason I now suspect.

It really is shocking, my grandfather was an old school journalist and when I was a girl, they would go out of their way to print the most contrary letters about the pieces they ran, they considered it an obligation.

I’ve written to them asking them to explain why my comments were deleted when I said nothing abusive or disrespectful. Not holding my breath waiting for their response.

My blood is boiling and for some reason most people I know don’t seem to care or want to discuss this. How can people not care about women’s opportunities and futures being stolen.

I AM ENRAGED. What can I do?