Censored for stating facts - guardian olympics blog

[HermioneKipper]

I’m so angry and feeling like the world has gone mad.

The guardian olympics liveblog has commented about the women’s 200m being amazing and that Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi ran great races. Plus adding an article from Seb Coe saying that this proves the new rules are working.

I tried commenting underneath but all my comments are being deleted despite stating facts and saying nothing abusive. All I said was that these athletes have xy chromosomes and that these levels of testosterone would result in women being banned for doping. Perhaps saying that it’s not a fair playing field and medals have been snatched from female athletes who’ve trained all their lives caused me to get deleted 🤷‍♀️

It feels like we’ve entered the black mirrorverse and a really bad joke.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You and I use the Guardian website in a strikingly similar way, littl!

We do 💪💪💪🏌️‍♀️🏌️‍♀️🏌️‍♀️

Nothing hermione

They are a shite newspaper

I dunno anyone that reads it.

Get the recipes and let the misogynistic men have a chat with each other as they love it

@littlbrowndog I think I just mean in general.

The guardian are obviously a bunch of dicks who’s news coverage I shall no longer be reading.

But how every woman I know or everywhere isn’t outraged by this I simply don’t understand. Opportunities and futures are being STOLEN in plain sight and no one cares. It’s so very depressing

Don’t care, or don’t see anything that they can do about it? Women are powerless: the only women that aren’t are those who are prepared to deliberately sell out other women and poorer groups. This hasn’t happened overnight, and I think the political and cultural tendencies to greater exclusivity, of poorer groups as well as women, all play a part.

For all the changes and equality that women are told we have apparently gained, all we see everywhere is men in power and positions of authority. The only time - or very nearly only, Merkel excepted - women have position is through selling themselves as sex symbols, whether in sport, music, film. That’s what I see, and of course teenage boys glued to the internet are growing up with that entrenched.

Bill and Melinda Gates behind the Funding???

We do care hermione. Talk to ur mates

Family anyone you know

I have found that no one in real life believes this shite

It’s getting out there for sure

And use the guardian for free. Fuck the guardian

Bit I feel your pain for sure

Keep going keep going don’t fret. It’s a war not a battle

Write to ur mp or MSP

Keep pressure up.

Rember the suffragettes they were tortured in prison beaten and abused

Keep going. Don’t give up,

Is that the only outlet we have in this ‘democracy’? Only my (female) MP is one of the sell-outs. Until I can get out of this area, which isn’t likely, that’s me shut up.

@littlbrowndog thank god for you lot.

I’ve tried bringing it up with mates a few times. I think the toxicity of the trans debate terrifies them all and none of them want to appear hateful right wingers stamping on trans rights. I am a very left leaning, open minded person who wants people to be free and happy to live their lives the way they choose. But not when it means women’s rights, safety and opportunities are taken away.

I lost multiple FB friends after posting a tribute to JK Rowling after her wonderful, brave article came out. Good riddance. But real life friends (intelligent, thoughtful ladies to a woman) didn’t want to get into it and have swerved the topic both online and in person.

Until recently, my own husband whose views I have never disagreed with before and respect hugely, insisted trans women are women. And that it took away from their human rights to disagree with this. And apparently I was bigoted for being conflicted about this. Some of the happenings and misreporting in the olympics is starting to change his views on this though and he agrees that it’s completely unfair for Laurel Hubbard to be competing etc.

I wish more people’s eyes would be open to this and to understand what it means. Dangerous precedents are being set now and we won’t ever be able to change them

I know pick. I live in Scotland. Totally captured.

But keep going is all I can say. I won’t lye down and be walked over.

So I keep going

Jeez hermione. That’s shite

Just get off Facebook. Where the whinies are. Who cares what they think

I can’t respect any person who doesn’t protect girls and women over men

Simple as that

No one ever says that this is a classist movement. For sure it is.

Twaw I kinda think is for the privileged.

People are scared, and they also feel out of their depths, or they don't know enough to see the patterns, like deletions in comments sections or media outlets ignoring stories.

So it looks like a thing of minor concern that some over-react to, or it looks like a whole lot of awful they don't understand.

But homophobia for sure is live and kicking where I live

Seb Coe is definitely not down the rabbit hole. A little later in the same piece:
"Coe also suggested that different classifications might yet come into sport in the future – including an “open” category for almost everyone and a restricted “biological female”. “I don’t think that’s where most of my council are at the moment,” he said. “But this is a debate at the moment. I’ve heard coaches and people who are interested in the sport, and more broadly from the sport, have discussed that.”"
www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/04/sebastian-coe-claims-chrstine-mboma-tokyo-olympics-200m-silver-medal-shows-testosterone-rules-are-working
He knows. He just has to be careful.

So it’s a lie that men are, on average, faster and stronger than women?

You can’t argue with that level of wilful stupidity.

That's not what Seb Coe is saying. He is arguing that they were right to bar athletes with DSDs from the longer events because the 200m shows that the athlete with a DSD was getting stronger in the later stages of the race so the effect of the testosterone would be more marked in a longer race.
He's not said that men aren't faster and in case this article is about athletes with DSDs.
He is saying that they need to look at other events too. What more can the man say without losing his job?

You’re right, MiddlesexGirl. I should have quoted the screenshot that HermioneKipper posted at 19.02. A comment in the Guardian that was allowed to stand while Hermione’s factual comments were deleted.

Someone called sgwnmr says it’s a “lie” that male puberty provides huge advantages. And that seems to be fine by the Guardian. For good measure, sgwnmr adds that separating women’s sports from men’s is “misogynistic”.

I’d expect nothing more from the Guardian- they are not a newspaper just an ideological mouthpiece. I avoid at all costs and even find the recipes better in the telegraph (don’t subscribe just get recipes)

However I wonder if the moderating is outsourced on lots of these sites.

Amusingly, I was permanently banned from the Unherd - which is supposed to be a bastion of free speech and alternative viewpoints. I have no idea why as I could not get a reply from their moderator despite requesting an explanation several times and despite always being polite.

However my last comment was on a trans issue and was correcting another commentator who churned out the old ‘5%of people are intersex’ fallacy - politely explaining what DSD means and linking to a published scientific journal that totally refuted that. Coincidence?

However my last comment was on a trans issue and was correcting another commentator who churned out the old ‘5%of people are intersex’ fallacy - politely explaining what DSD means and linking to a published scientific journal that totally refuted that.

Well, if you’re going to cheat by pointing out facts and giving science-journal references …

Totally agree with this thread and the fact if you've got a Y chromosome you should never be allowed to compete in women's sports, but.....
you've said that the Namibians have XY chromosomes, but we don't know that. We know they must have a Y chromosome, but it's more likely (although not confirmed), they have XXY, rather than XY. That's still means they are men, have advantages and should not be allowed, because the presence or absence of the Y chromosome that denotes sex. (eg see this from the NHS: www.nhs.uk/conditions/klinefelters-syndrome/). Next time, just stick to fact they have Y chromosome, rather than speculating on what else there is maybe??

Why is that more likely? If they were 46 xxy, then they would most likely look male and the question wouldn't arise, unless they also had some degree of androgen insensitivity, but that would be a very rare combination, surely?

(sorry 47 xxy)

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

However my last comment was on a trans issue and was correcting another commentator who churned out the old ‘5%of people are intersex’ fallacy - politely explaining what DSD means and linking to a published scientific journal that totally refuted that.

Well, if you’re going to cheat by pointing out facts and giving science-journal references …

I know! Funnily enough my teenagers also get all huffy with me when I try to discuss research, science or biology.