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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Selective abortion: How do they know which are girls?

75 replies

MiladyBerserko · 03/08/2021 04:08

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/269e1e18-f3c9-11eb-a2a3-afea84050239?shareToken=06d5753ab5a403e1c090df2ab58064aa

22 millions girls missing. Why are girls chosen and how do they know if sex is assigned at birth?

I'm so angry. Here we are being deleted and bullied about talking about old male cheats who steal women's places, and we are not supposed to know what sex a person is. But 22 million people knew well enough to choose to terminate their pregnancies. 44 million if we assume both parents had a say.

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Fallingirl · 03/08/2021 04:59

Men need women for three things: sex, baby making, and shitty, unpaid/low paid care work.

They will still get laid by creating more and more prostitution.

Baby making will be a bit more of a problem, but using piss poor women as birthing cows will work for the wealthier men for a long time.

The biggest issue will be who is going to do do all the shitty, unpaid/low paid care work when there aren’t enough women to go round?

FindTheTruth · 03/08/2021 05:54

4.7 million girls by 2030.

4.7

MILLION

Cancellingadvice · 03/08/2021 06:02

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?

FindTheTruth · 03/08/2021 06:06

I think of Emmeline Pankhursts words “We have to free half of the human race, the women, so that they an help to free the other half.” When I see good news due to females in power - presidents & politicians making social changes that make the world a better place, help climate change, increase better living for all. Whereas Female erasure correlates with degenerate backward cesspool lives and society. this quote from the article "Fewer than expected females in a population could result in elevated levels of antisocial behaviour and violence, and may ultimately affect long-term stability and social sustainable development.”

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 03/08/2021 06:33

@Cancellingadvice

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?
Because it’s relevant. Trans rights activists are pushing for the elimination of any word to describe our sex. It’s only down to Fair Play For Women that there was a proper sex question in the last census. There’s a push for the sex marker to be removed from passports in some countries. And now 22 million girls are missing because they would have been OUR SEX. If we don’t have a word for them then - what? Children with uteruses?
Lonel · 03/08/2021 06:38

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?
Are you kidding? Trans ideology says that sex is not important, only gender. Unfortunately in the real world sex matters, especially to women and girls. We can't tackle problems like this unless sex is recognized in law.

FindTheTruth · 03/08/2021 06:45

absurd trans point?

more accurately IT'S A QUEER THEORY POINT as it denies that sex exists. here are millions of abortions proving that SEX does exist. Plenty of trans people know that sex matters. Idealogical dogmatic trolls claim otherwise. sex matters and here are millions of females erased because of it. Rosie Duffield was sent rape threats for pointing out sex is identifiable in the womb and here the world is losing millions of girls because they are identified and erased from the womb.

ThreeB · 03/08/2021 06:55

@Cancellingadvice

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?
Because the current move to make gender identity more important than biological sex means that issues like this can be minimised and waved away. This is one of the clearest examples of how women, unborn babies in this case, are discriminated against due to sex. We have to be able to base policy and laws on biological sex, rather than the nebulous concept of gender.
Helleofabore · 03/08/2021 08:03

@Cancellingadvice

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?
Because the current discussions around sex rely on a philosophical foundation and detaching it from biological reality.

Biological reality is that millions of females are aborted or killed at birth like animals because of their sex. Because sexist discrimination is still a reality. Not gender. Sex.

This is what happens when activists detune discrimination to suit themselves. If sex is no longer a protected characteristic because it has been substituted for gender identity, where does that leave selective abortion?

Because we are told that trans people are the most vulnerable in the world. And because of it we are losing the language to speak about them accurately and humanely.

Incidentally, do you acknowledge that in the current push for inclusive language that we should say ‘22 million vagina havers missing’? And are you comfortable with that further dehumanization?

Just because you can’t see the relevance does not mean it is not plain to see for others.

Maybe you should ask yourself why you cannot see the connection and are you comfortable with why that is. Or is your entrenched view that there are no conflicts, and you cannot see there will ever be, in the rights of women and children and trans rights?

Deliriumoftheendless · 03/08/2021 08:41

Well, it would be good if sex selective abortions (and girl babies being abandoned) ended because no one knew their gender identity until the child could decide.

Will that happen?

No.

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 03/08/2021 08:50

Because it’s relevant. Trans rights activists are pushing for the elimination of any word to describe our sex.

In addition, many TRAs don't believe sex exists as a material reality, so as a consequence, they don't believe sex-selective abortion can exist. To them, this isn't a problem at all. To them, this is fine.

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2021 08:53

There's already abductions of women in China. We can extrapolate what will happen if women become even more scarce.

Increasingly not liking the look of the world my children are going to inhabit.

MrsSlocombesPussy · 03/08/2021 08:59

I read an article a while ago about women in rural India being married and then 'shared' with the grooms brothers as brides are in such short supply.

littlbrowndog · 03/08/2021 10:13

This is awful.

Millions of girls missing. Millions

And this is revelant with the erasure of the word women

Our health minister humza yousaf can’t even use the words pregnant women in a health message

CharlieParley · 03/08/2021 10:40

@Cancellingadvice

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?
For the first time in human history, humankind is made up out of more male people than female people.

I'm talking about millions of years of the evolution of the human species.

Now, today, this moment, there are fewer women than men alive.

At birth, the sex ratio between male and female humans has always been 100 girls born for every 105 to 106 boys, because the weaker constitution of male children coupled with their higher risk taking means that we always end up with a 51% female to 49% male ratio overall.

Sometimes it's a little more than 51% female, sometimes a little less but 51:49 is the natural human sex ratio.

After millions of years of evolution, it took only a few decades to overturn that ratio and the trend continues, the ratio is continuing to change in favour of males.

What do you think is responsible for a reversal in this ratio?

It's not Mother Nature. It's us. Specifically patriarchal norms that assign less value to females than males.

Enter stage left the ability to determine the sex of unborns in utero.

So now we abort female fetuses because they are female. In the millions.

Add to that the time honoured tradition of literally throwing female newborns away. On rubbish heaps, on grass verges, in the woods. That's what people in societies do that consider females to be worth less (or even worthless). You don't need prenatal sex testing for that.

Add to that feeding female children less than their brothers, denying them medical care where that must be paid for privately because families keep their money to ensure they can pay for medical expenses if their sons become ill.

So female fetuses are disproportionately aborted, female newborns are disproportionately abandoned and female children under 5 are disproportionately starved and neglected.

Now 30 countries in the world have such a severe shortage of women it's fucking up their societies. I'll not go into this right now, but just briefly: in a male-dominated world, where men are in the majority in a country, that country is one where violence rises, women and girls suffer even more and society as a whole does not function very well.

Queer theory dominates the discourse right now in the Western world. The doctrine of gender identity posits that sex is irrelevant. Some, probably many of its faithful are on record saying sex does not exist.

Our foremost women's rights organisations believe in the doctrine. They endorse and promote it. They lobby government to implement the doctrine of gender identity and in laws, policies and regulations.

Governments across the world are meeting their demands to replace sex with gender identity.

How can they tackle the issue now?

FindTheTruth · 03/08/2021 10:49

well said CharlieParley. Re "30 countries in the world have such a severe shortage of women it's fucking up their societies" I suspect that we've only scratched the surface of what this will mean in the coming decades

Kendodd · 03/08/2021 10:49

Unfortunately this isn't a new story.
The economist Amartya Sen wrote about 100 million missing women in the early 90s

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women#:~:text=The%20phenomenon%20was%20first%20noted,million%20women%20were%20%22missing%22.

poorbuthappy · 03/08/2021 10:52

@CharlieParley.
Excellent post.

CatherinaJTV · 03/08/2021 11:29

@Cancellingadvice

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?
everything is about trans people here
heathspeedwell · 03/08/2021 11:43

From the article:

Reducing sex selection is a major part of the United Nation’s sustainable development goals. Dr Chao added: “This calls for broader legal frameworks to ensure gender equality.”

Who exactly is bringing gender into this?

FindTheTruth · 03/08/2021 11:43

everything is about trans people here

No. Feminism is about sex based rights. There are trans men and women who also agree that sex matters.

absurd trans point?

No. Queer theory priests call it transphobic to state that sex is identified in the womb. Not all trans people agree with this dogma and both they and the women here want to live in peace. Queer theory is mens rights activism that's anti-women and anti-humanity. Trans people who say that sex matters get targeted with abuse too.

FindTheTruth · 03/08/2021 11:45

22 million girls are missing because they would have been OUR SEX. If we don’t have a word for them then - what? Children with uteruses?

well said Empress

CrossPurposes · 03/08/2021 12:01

Why don't you read CharlieParley's post above and comment on that. I am getting beyond angry now with trans rights activists not giving a shit about the XXs even when they are disappearing in their millions.

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2021 12:21

'everything is about trans people here'

Utter nonsense. This thread is about sex selective abortion. Did you read it?

CharlieParley · 03/08/2021 13:10

everything is about trans people here

No. This thread is about millions of women missing in the world because they were killed as unborns, newborns or little girls because they were female.

I did not bring trans people into it, but queer theory, a branch of philosophy that grew out of post-modernism and post-structuralism.

If I mentioned Marxism or the Socratic method or Nihilism again that would be talking about ideas that humans have about the world, how to understand it, how to react to it. It's not about specific people.

The OP made reference in passing to a specific person in order to highlight how a currently prevailing ideology - queer theory and the doctrine of gender identity - is having a detrimental impact on our ability to

a) identify the problem (the disproportionate killing of females in utero);

b) determine the reason (being female);

c) analyse the underlying mechanisms (patriarchal norms assigning females the lesser human);

d) discuss remedies (which range from raising awareness all the way to changing whole societies' attitude to the female sex class).

But since you both CatherinaJTV and Cancellingadvice have criticised how we put this news in the context of a current ideological movement that we understand to interfere with the fight for the equality of female people, I would be very interested to hear what context you would put this in and how you would reconcile the killing of females on the basis of their sex with your belief that sex is irrelevant.

I understand that you are disgusted that a topic you despise has been brought into this topic by OP. What I don't understand is why - on such a serious issue, as Cancellingadvice lamented - your only contribution to the discussion and your only visible reaction to the news is to criticise how we talk about it.

Forget about us conceptualising incorrectly (according to you) the news (that in nine years a total of 22 million female fetuses will have been aborted and a third of the world's population will live in countries where the sex ratio has unnaturally been changed to favour males).

Just pretend the OP hadn't conceptualised the news at all. And please give us your opinion as to why this is happening, what the results will be of this happening and how we should stop this from happening.

P.S. regarding d) remedies and changing the attitude of a whole society to the female sex. South Korea successfully did this. Took them 30 years, but they did it.