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Selective abortion: How do they know which are girls?

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MiladyBerserko · 03/08/2021 04:08

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/269e1e18-f3c9-11eb-a2a3-afea84050239?shareToken=06d5753ab5a403e1c090df2ab58064aa

22 millions girls missing. Why are girls chosen and how do they know if sex is assigned at birth?

I'm so angry. Here we are being deleted and bullied about talking about old male cheats who steal women's places, and we are not supposed to know what sex a person is. But 22 million people knew well enough to choose to terminate their pregnancies. 44 million if we assume both parents had a say.

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MiladyBerserko · 03/08/2021 13:13

Cancellingadvice

Because these baby girls were killed or abandoned because of their sex
Because we are told that babies' sex is 'assigned' at birth. How many of these babies were really boys with a vagina, do you think?
Because if we lose sex as a defining characteristic, female babies, children and adults will still be targetted for abuse and murder but we will no longer have the language nor data to describe or quantify it.

Why the fuck would you defnd a misogynist ideology which seeks to strip women and girls of the language to provide and protect themselves, even when the clear evidence is there that females are being targeted precisely because of their sex?

Still absurd?

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bakingdemon · 03/08/2021 13:19

Millions of missing girls means millions of men who will never know the stability of a family or hope to find a wife one day. History shows that means one thing: violence. Abductions of women from nearby reigons/countries to be forced brides, too many young men with too much time on their hands becoming armies seeking to conquer lands which do have women.

justaftb · 03/08/2021 13:21

Nobody really cares about this because it is framed as 'females' being aborted. I have a cunning plan to really make people pay attention and stop selective abortions once and for all. Some people are always telling us that sex doesn't matter, that genitals are no indicator of sex, that there can be a 'woman brain' in a male body, that chromosomes do not a boy or girl make, people are born trans. If the gender identity ideologues are outraged by 'conversion' therapy, they are going to lose their mind when they find out that trans foetuses are being aborted!

CatherinaJTV · 03/08/2021 13:23

There are trans men and women who also agree that sex matters.

There were also black followers of Trump...

Selective abortion has nothing to do with trans individuals and all to do with the patriarchy and local customs (e.g. dowry etc). The value put on men and women could simply be changed.

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MiladyBerserko · 03/08/2021 13:27

But how do they know which ones to abort Catherine?

Black magic.....woooooooooo

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Jaysmith71 · 03/08/2021 13:28

One consequence of China's now abandoned one-child policy is a vast industry trafficking (sometimes very) young girls from South East Asia for 'marriage' and other arranegements.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/08/2021 13:32

Outstanding posts CharlieParley - and so many other posters. Always depressing to see some (feebly) trying to silence the truth about women and girls.

Jackgrealishscurtains · 03/08/2021 13:35

Selective abortion has nothing to do with trans individuals and all to do with the patriarchy and local customs (e.g. dowry etc). The value put on men and women could simply be changed.

Trans dogma says that anyone can identify into womanhood, and therefore anyone can identify out of womanhood. Its so offensive in the context of issues such as sex selective abortion.

Jackgrealishscurtains · 03/08/2021 13:36

The whole idea that we are 'assigned a gender at birth' is also shown to be total bullshit in this context as well.

Everyone knows who are the males and who are the females and always have done.

Beowulfa · 03/08/2021 13:39

Selective abortion has nothing to do with trans individuals

It has everything to do with biological sex, which we are aggressively told now either doesn't exist, or is trumped by gender ideology. Or is actually a spectrum.

The number with lots of zeroes, the pile of abortions, the casual waste dump of lives, is the actual stark reality of what regularly happens if your mother's ovum was fertilised by an X carrying sperm cell.

andthedogtoo · 03/08/2021 13:40

@CatherinaJTV

There are trans men and women who also agree that sex matters.

There were also black followers of Trump...

Selective abortion has nothing to do with trans individuals and all to do with the patriarchy and local customs (e.g. dowry etc). The value put on men and women could simply be changed.

How do they select the ones to abort though? If TRAs believe sex doesn't exist? Hmm
CharlieParley · 03/08/2021 13:49

Selective abortion has nothing to do with trans individuals and all to do with the patriarchy and local customs (e.g. dowry etc). The value put on men and women could simply be changed.

That is correct, CatherinaJTV, it has nothing to do with trans individuals. No one here has said so. Not even the OP who used the example of an individual only to point to an ideology that does have an impact on how we can respond to the problem.

But you are incorrect that it would be simple to change the value human societies place on men and women. And it will be impossible if the ideology you believe is prevails.

CatherinaJTV · 03/08/2021 14:07

@MiladyBerserko

But how do they know which ones to abort Catherine?

Black magic.....woooooooooo

the state of you Hmm
CatherinaJTV · 03/08/2021 14:09

and the dog too

How do they select the ones to abort though? If TRAs believe sex doesn't exist? hmm

This is just not the "gotcha" you think it is. Seriously. Trying to pitch selective abortion as a justification for trans phobia is just weird (and ever so slightly offputting).

CatherinaJTV · 03/08/2021 14:12

But you are incorrect that it would be simple to change the value human societies place on men and women. And it will be impossible if the ideology you believe is prevails.

I didn't say it was "simple". For example, China's 1.5 child policy reduced the perceived value of girls further, while their subsequent 2 child policy has decreased the male/female ratio in births.

OldCrone · 03/08/2021 14:20

@CatherinaJTV

But you are incorrect that it would be simple to change the value human societies place on men and women. And it will be impossible if the ideology you believe is prevails.

I didn't say it was "simple". For example, China's 1.5 child policy reduced the perceived value of girls further, while their subsequent 2 child policy has decreased the male/female ratio in births.

Why is a male/female ratio important? I thought the only thing which mattered in your belief system was gender identity. Have I misunderstood? Can you explain?
Soubriquet · 03/08/2021 14:25

Didn’t the evidence of having less girls already proven problematic in China?

With the one baby rule, girls were abandoned or killed and boys were kept and coveted

Now they are all grown, those “precious boys” can’t find wives because there aren’t any girls

Jackgrealishscurtains · 03/08/2021 14:40

This is just not the "gotcha" you think it is. Seriously. Trying to pitch selective abortion as a justification for trans phobia is just weird (and ever so slightly offputting).

You're not really putting across an argument here though.

TRAs talk about how 'sex is a spectrum', how, in order to define woman, you need to talk about 'shifting constellations', how its really difficult to tell men and women apart and how it doesn't really matter anyway, how biological sex is irrelevant in all arenas because its gender identity that what matters ultimately and its that upon which we should base policy and law.

You do see how all of that is problematic when we live in a world where biological females are aborted before birth simply for being female, don't you?

CatherinaJTV · 03/08/2021 14:41

Why is a male/female ratio important? I thought the only thing which mattered in your belief system was gender identity. Have I misunderstood? Can you explain?

My "belief system" is entirely irrelevant to China's population policies. So is yours.

Jackgrealishscurtains · 03/08/2021 14:43

Why is a male/female ratio important? I thought the only thing which mattered in your belief system was gender identity. Have I misunderstood? Can you explain?

Exactly. If sex doesn't matter at all and it's all about gender identity, then it doesn't matter if there are far less females than males, because identity can even it all out anyway?

And while Catherina will say that's disingenuous etc - that is exactly what TRA ideology says and the logical conclusions it makes.

CatherinaJTV · 03/08/2021 14:43

@Soubriquet

Didn’t the evidence of having less girls already proven problematic in China?

With the one baby rule, girls were abandoned or killed and boys were kept and coveted

Now they are all grown, those “precious boys” can’t find wives because there aren’t any girls

Well, yes. This is why China has adapted their policies several times over the past 10 years and different policies have different outcomes. For example, as I said above, the 1.5 child policy (you can have a second child if the first is a girl) has devalued girls even more than the one child policy. Do you do any reading of scientific literature?

There's no need to mock the "precious boys" btw. The consequences of the one child policies are serious, for the surviving men as well.

FindTheTruth · 03/08/2021 14:45

What I don't understand is why - on such a serious issue, as Cancellingadvice lamented - your only contribution to the discussion and your only visible reaction to the news is to criticise how we talk about it.

Yes their only contribution is to criticise how we talk about it. No empathy for millions of girls erased. They bypass the horror and get to the real reason for visiting MN, policing women's thoughts. serious control issues.

TheSkatesOfCoachBombay · 03/08/2021 14:55

The human race will be the making of its own demise. There will be no apocalyptic natural event. We will literally breed ourself in to non excistence.

When we throw biology books out the window and decide feelings are more important than facts, the battle is lost.

It's horrific that so many baby girls have been discarded and wiped from excistence because of their BIOLOGICAL SEX. You know that well known factual information.

Hopefully lions or something will run the world in a millennia and the planet can finally breath 😂

Melroses · 03/08/2021 15:04

@Cancellingadvice

Why the fuck are you taking a serious issue and trying to make some sort absurd trans point?
Because if we move to a system based on "gender identity" instead of sex, there will no longer be a way to count how many people are female.

There will be no way to count how many girls are missing from the world.

NonnyMouse1337 · 03/08/2021 15:10

If sex is assigned at birth, how do people know to abort female foetuses?