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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The BBC has quoted Fallon Fox

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PamDenick · 02/08/2021 10:14

Just watching BBC news. They interviewed Fallon Fox who stated that there is no scientific advantage for a transitioned mtf athlete in women’s sports!
This is just so wrong!

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Jaysmith71 · 02/08/2021 14:49

BBC News Channel, 10.00 - 11.00 segment on the iplayer.

BaronMunchausen · 02/08/2021 14:52

@Jaysmith71

BBC News Channel, 10.00 - 11.00 segment on the iplayer.
Thanks. It doesn't seem to be available right now on the iPlayer? www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/guide/bbctwo
JoantheVampireSlayer · 02/08/2021 15:16

Would anybody mind messaging me the complaint they made to the BBC regarding FF so that I can complain too?
I'm livid but I'm really not well at the moment so can't write a complaint myself.
Thanks so much.

cariadlet · 02/08/2021 15:25

@JoantheVampireSlayer

Would anybody mind messaging me the complaint they made to the BBC regarding FF so that I can complain too? I'm livid but I'm really not well at the moment so can't write a complaint myself. Thanks so much.
I made 2 complaints. Here's my complaint about the fuller report:

I initially thought that this was going to be a balanced report as it included an interview with Dr Nicola Williams from Fair Play for Women. However, the presenter then went straight to the next interviewer and asked, "What do you make of that, it sounds pretty dehumanising."

That was an unacceptable show of bias and a complete misrepresentation of Nicola Williams who had been very respectful eg by not using male pronouns when referring to Laurel Hubbard and by saying that she thought that it was great for trans and non-binary athletes to compete in the Olympics (provided they were in the correct category for their sex).

I felt that the 2nd interviewee, who clearly didn't know any details about the scientific research which the IOC says justifies the inclusion of transwomen in women's sports, was not challenged at all. The 2nd interviewee based their arguments on feelings rather than facts, which they are entitled to do, but it is the job of an impartial presenter to make it clear to the viewer that this is what is happening and also to challenge statements which are not backed up with any evidence. 

I complained about bias for that one.

Here's my complaint about FF:

I was absolutely shocked to see the BBC showing an interview with Fallon Fox, the former MMA fighter, on the news this morning. This is a person who has tweeted: "For the record, I knocked two out. One woman's skull was fractured, the other not. And just so you know, I enjoyed it. See, I love smacking up TERFs in the cage who talk transphobic nonsense. It's bliss!"

Fox gave Tamikka Brents a concussion and a skull fracture which required several staples. These injuries were inflicted in the first round, in just two minutes.

Tamikka said of the fight: I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch.

I am horrified that the BBC thinks that it is appropriate to uncritically broadcast the views of such a violent misogynist. 

I think that I complained about that on the basis of offence but I'm not 100% sure.

andyoldlabour · 02/08/2021 15:33

We can look back on this and say, this is the day when the BBC flushed its reputation down the toilet of wokeism.

JoodyBlue · 02/08/2021 15:36

The 10 am BBC news episode is not now available on iPlayer I wonder why not, the 9am version is still there

Jaysmith71 · 02/08/2021 15:38

Maybe it's been filed in the same place where they 'lost' the pictures of Boris Johnson drunk and hungover at the Cenotaph in 2019?

allmywhat · 02/08/2021 15:39

Worth mentioning that Fox fought and injured Tamikka Brents without telling her that she was going to fight a “trans woman.”

So this is not just a case of “it’s MMA, skull fractures happen.” Brents didn’t have the information to consent to that fight.

TheMarzipanDildo · 02/08/2021 15:48

"Sounds pretty dehumanising, that it's about sex not about feelings."

Funny how the people who come out with this nonsense don’t give a single shit about the feelings of female athletes Angry

JoantheVampireSlayer · 02/08/2021 15:49

Thank you cariadlet Flowers

FloralBunting · 02/08/2021 15:54

@TheMarzipanDildo

"Sounds pretty dehumanising, that it's about sex not about feelings."

Funny how the people who come out with this nonsense don’t give a single shit about the feelings of female athletes Angry

Well, quite.

Not exactly clear how a young girl would have watched the weightlifting and felt inspired to join in because an out of shape male in his forties was able to take the place of a woman in the Olympic competition.

But who cares about her, eh?

MoreRainThanAnyYet · 02/08/2021 16:02

showing inspirational figures for children to look up to and think 'I can be like them'

What, male?

That's not a realistic aspiration for a little girl.

BaronMunchausen · 02/08/2021 16:17

...that 10am news bulletin is still not available.

Everything else is.

nauticant · 02/08/2021 16:26

And will they stop saying it is complex! It is not complex.

It is complex. The point is that the complexity isn't actually relevant to the core issue of fairness in competitive sport at the elite level. Another issue where "complexity" is a red herring is safety.

Jaysmith71 · 02/08/2021 16:27

More insidious bias from Lucy Hocking in the latest update:

"Many" will see Hubbard's competing as a landmark for inclusion, but "some" will see it as undermining women's sport...

FloralBunting · 02/08/2021 16:29

Oh, fuck you, BBC. Fuck you very much.

BaronMunchausen · 02/08/2021 16:30

"I think that I complained about that on the basis of offence but I'm not 100% sure."

Yes, I picked Offence for that one.

Perhaps it is a good sign that the bulletin in question isn't available on iPlayer. Though perhaps it's just to reduce the number of complaints they have to dismiss...

BaronMunchausen · 02/08/2021 16:34

@Jaysmith71

More insidious bias from Lucy Hocking in the latest update:

"Many" will see Hubbard's competing as a landmark for inclusion, but "some" will see it as undermining women's sport...

Yes, 'many' signifies a large number; and 'some' indicates a small number.

The irony is that the opposite is the reality: most will see the participation of biological males as undermining women's sport.

What programme/channel was this said on?

NiceGerbil · 02/08/2021 16:34

Any ovulators on the thread care to respond on the travesty of trans athletes apparently being reduced to their body parts?

EyesOpening · 02/08/2021 16:50

[quote BridgeOfLies]Here's the link to the BBC complaints process: www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints[/quote]
Thank you for the link, I’ll send in my complaint after I’ve had dinner

Jaysmith71 · 02/08/2021 17:36

What programme/channel was this said on?

BBC News Channel sports bulletin.

NiceGerbil · 02/08/2021 17:54

I'm gonna complain.

Interviewing an individual who has said they love smashing the skulls of women who disagree with her, while she's in the ring. Is pretty far over the line imo.

Gonna watch it first- BBC news was it?

NiceGerbil · 02/08/2021 17:58

Found the link still not available

Feelingoktoday · 02/08/2021 18:07

@TheMarzipanDildo

"Sounds pretty dehumanising, that it's about sex not about feelings."

Funny how the people who come out with this nonsense don’t give a single shit about the feelings of female athletes Angry

I cannot believe someone can say that about top level sport. “It’s not about sex but feelings”. I’ve had enough. I really have.
NiceGerbil · 02/08/2021 18:09

Yes this menstruating vagina owner has had enough as well.

Dehumanising!