IOC admits trans guidelines not fit for purpose

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And yet somehow twaw

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This is the bloke who only a couple of days ago said their trans inclusion approach was brilliant and TWAW.

Right.

Ok.

'However, Budgett accepted that the 2015 guidelines were no longer backed by science. “I absolutely accept that, things move on,” he said. “At the time the 10 nanomoles per litre was set because we thought that was the lower level for men'

This is bizarre to start with.
What thought process did this big org with I'm sure plenty of people involved in this policy.

To decide to set the max level for competing with WOMEN at the bottom range of normal for MEN ?

And again. We women budge up to let the men in.

'We know now that they go down to seven and women can be higher as well. Agreeing on another number is almost impossible and possibly irrelevant. You can debate that endlessly.”'

I think this is to sidestep issues around intersex athletes like semenya. It's a massive topic, in the press all the time, s massive headache for them. Set it high enough and it all goes away.

When he says women can be higher how is he defining women.

Agreeing on T level to compete with women is possibly irrelevant.

Even though at the moment it's the only metric they make the decision on.

????

'There is some research, but it depends on whether you are coming from the view of inclusion as the first priority or absolute fairness to the nth degree being the priority,” he said.'

He confirms their main priority is not fairness for women. But getting transwomen in one way or another.

I thought fairness was really important in sport???

'. “If you don’t want to take any risks at all that anyone might have an advantage, then you just stop everybody.'

Because different events by sex is like Phelps having big feet, some people being v tall etc etc.

A totally transparently shit argument.

' If you are prepared to extrapolate from the evidence there is, and consider the fact the have been no openly transgender women at the top level until now, I think the threat to women’s sport has probably been overstated.”'

Note openly.
Extrapolate = assume.
His opinion.

'at club level.

“It may be the right thing to do in many sports, because it is at the most elite level in their case that they are concerned about safety. As you come down from that level you can start to prioritise inclusion more than safety. You can understand it. I think there is a legal element to this as well, they have really prioritised safety.”'

Baffling.

Only the safety of elite athletes matters?

Jesus Christ.

Debbie Hayton can fuck off.

'Men should stay out of 'women's sports'. Yes Debbie, and also out of women's facilities and that includes you.

This person is making a career as a writer on the back of the trashing of women's rights and is being lauded for it. Hypocritical doesn't even cover it.

This is bizarre to start with.
What thought process did this big org with I'm sure plenty of people involved in this policy.

They were more concerned about including men in women's sports than being fair to women. They nodded through the 10 nmol/L testosterone rule thinking that everyone would just accept it.

I don't think that they actually considered women at all, or that everyone could see the unfairness or that people would actually stand up for women.

The narrow focus on a particular kind of trans person makes it blatantly obvious that the goal is not inclusivity.

Hubbard is being to lose. I'm convinced that this was the aim all along. To show the world that the TERFs have been talking shit all this time and poor Laurel and pals have been victimised.

Making way for an onslaught in the next Olympics.

Going to

We play sport with our sexed bodies, not our "gender identities".

And by its very nature, elite sport is not inclusive. Otherwise middle-aged over-weight me could rock up to the Olympics and demand a space on the track. Or maybe I could simply "identify" as disabled and try for a spot in the Paralympics?

Middle aged men are rocking up and demanding a place. A woman's place.

This is a perfect fucking solution for mediocre men.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be-more-samoan-to-avoid-olympic-injustice-s22rkn0rw

Can’t do share tokens, but Janice Turner’s column is about this today.

Here you go

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be-more-samoan-to-avoid-olympic-injustice-s22rkn0rw?shareToken=7d97036e76c17a582645b1566f794e8f

How are they going to ensure that the mixed relays remain a true mix of men and women?

It's blowing my brain that someone thought this would be a fun new category but there's no difference in performance so it's not a problem having men in women's sport. It's like they're providing their own evidence and research real time for us all to see.

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1421305556862599169?s=12

It's blowing my brain that someone thought this would be a fun new category but there's no difference in performance so it's not a problem having men in women's sport. It's like they're providing their own evidence and research real time for us all to see.

Is it possible that the people responsible for adding the mixed sex events understood the differences very clearly?

Hopefully the current ridiculous, unfair rules will be sorted out before the next Olympics, but if not - somehow the injustice may suddenly become apparent when it's men not just women who miss out on their podium place because of males taking women's places.

I have been wondering if someone deep in the organisation has decided to take a more subtle approach Errol

One can imagine how the suggestion of more mixed events would have met with mass approval, fun, inclusive etc etc with no one spotting the obvious drawback let alone the irony.

Has anyone asked this numpty where all the trans men Olympic competitors are? Surely the fact there aren't any is shockingly unfair and a massive failure on the IOCs part??

(Or maybe there's another explanation )

The trans men are competing as women too. Which seems appropriate if they delay hormonal "transition" until after they've stopped competing in sport.

[quote FannyCann]How are they going to ensure that the mixed relays remain a true mix of men and women?

It's blowing my brain that someone thought this would be a fun new category but there's no difference in performance so it's not a problem having men in women's sport. It's like they're providing their own evidence and research real time for us all to see.

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1421305556862599169?s=12[/quote]
If any member of the IOC wants to see the difference between men’s athletic performance and women’s athletic performance they only have
to watch a re run of the mixed 400m relay. The women running were at the top of their athletic game, at their peak of physical fitness, yet not one of them could outrun even the slowest of the participating men.

There are already rumblings about the inclusion of the ROC athletes in the games , I think the IOC needs to put itself in the brace position , because I can’t see the athletes, the worldwide tv audiences ( and I sincerely hope tv commentators) , the journalists, the Twitterati, and all the people on the Clapham omnibus keeping quiet when pictures of Hubbard competing next week are beamed into every living room and sports bar of the world.

Is anyone going to deny that the best chance any team could now have to win the mixed relay is to field two male people who identify as men, and two male people who identify as women?

I'm sure the female people can hold their coats, have their drinks ready and bake a celebration cake afterwards or something. Something being leaving them all to their party of misogyny and going and participating in major political action because half the world's population are in the process of getting angrier and producing a bigger women's rights movement than has been seen (or needed) in centuries.

This is going to end in equal rights actually meaning something this time, and not be about female people trusting male people that the rights they've loaned as a good will gesture must be handed back as soon as they start to inconvenience male people. It's been beyond proven now that this is all the suffragettes really managed to achieve despite all their efforts.

When women and men operate as mixed sex groups women will always lose out. Always. The men will make sure of it.

Just out of interest, does anyone know:

athletes with medical conditions that require medication that is incompatible with the strict doping rules.

Do they get a pass to compete with those meds through inclusion?

Or is it a case that sadly, their physical needs mean the end of their competitive career because it's incompatible with it?