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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Drag and trans - help me learn

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Dollpiglet · 28/07/2021 06:02

I'm keen to learn about all sides of the gender ideology discussions and one issue I'm struggling with is how drag differs from trans.

I do feel that drag is offensive to women (and drag king's to men) and I agree with those who draw parrallels with black face. The 'it's a tradition/art form' arguments are also lost on me. Black face was also a tradition Hmm

So what I'm struggling with is that I have established in my mind that dressing up and pretending to be of the opposite sex is offensive. Now how is that different from being trans? I realise stonewall umbrella places drag under trans but I mean how is drag different to being a transwoman for example.

Is it in the intent to mock vs a genuine lifestyle change?

I admit I am not knowledgeable about these issues, I don't know any trans people, so please educate me.

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IsItAKindofDream · 29/07/2021 01:08

But trans is a broad label for all sorts of gender non conforming people
Pretty much everyone I have ever met has been “gender non conforming” in some way. So almost everyone is Trans, then?

In the case of gender dysphoric people it is not about clothes. it is about the body
This is a tiny percentage of the trans community.
Are you saying that for the rest it is about clothes?

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 29/07/2021 08:12

Press for Change, Stonewall etc have spent years working hard on blurring the distinctions between all the different types of trans people so that all of them, from people with severe dysphoria to occasional cross dressers, are in the same category. Wasn’t that the point of ‘acceptance without exception’?

Pips Bunce and Eddie Izzard move between ‘girl mode’ and ‘boy mode’. Dr Hayton wrote NASUWT guidelines stating that if a teacher who normally presented as male chose to wear a dress to a party they should be allowed to use the women’s toilets. There are police officers who have two warrant cards depending on how they identify that day. There are people who have had major surgery and others who have simply put on a skirt. Stonewall and Press for Change lump them all together as ‘trans’.

You can’t now say that people should be making distinctions when major trans organisations have worked so hard to erase them.

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