Jessica Alves talks about a womb transplant.......

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You probably know of this trans person, has been in the media a LOT due to plastic surgery etc.
Has recently transitioned. Was in the press a few days ago saying they could not wait to lose their 'virginity' with a man, and now is hoping for a 'womb transplant'.
Do you think this will ever be possible? My thinking is (hopefully) not. Too many hurdles to overcome (synthetic hormones, anti rejection drugs, pelvis wrong shape, no way to give birth naturally, how to replicate changing hormones during a pregnancy etc ).
Is that all it takes now to be a woman? A plastic surgeon and shoving in a donated uterus? Makes me feel deeply uneasy, I pray no ethics committee will ever allow this to happen.
Its all a bit Frankensteinian.
Thoughts?

@EmbarrassingAdmissions thanks for that support. I cried after I posted. I walked into the matching after a night of no sleep from excitement and anticipation. Tomorrow I would be a mum. Walking out my mom who flew 10,000 miles to become a grandmother had to hold me up because I was hysterical. I has already booked the adoption maternity leave from my employer. Boss company colleagues had sent cards flowers and a gift basket to be there at my house after the meeting.

It was hell. My mom had to call my boss I was literally mute. He gave me 2 weeks off and just put it as bereavement not against my holiday.

Thankfully I now have 6 Godchildren but it’s a hole for both my mother and for me.

GothamGirl1970

Gotham

@TheWeeDonkey

From what I've seen of this person they have a lot of issues and I feel really sad for them, I think the surgeons who have operated on them have been very irresponsible and unethical. Obviously a womb transplant would be pointless and maybe very harmful. I'm sure there's some chancer who will be happy to take his money, but I think surgery is not the treatment this person needs.

This with knobs on.

Thank you all. Now that I’m older and earn what I earn I could do a surrogate in another country where I am a citizen. However at 51 to mother an infant is a purely selfish endeavour.

During the failed adoption I was 40 so I put 8 years of age to 10. Young people who can raise a child to adulthood is right and just.

I'm sorry, Gotham that sounds very hard all round.

Id' be wary of seeing transplanted uterus as a solution. The 30% live baby outcome is pretty good - that's the same as IVF in under 35s, but I'd be interested if they have records of whether viable foetuses were lost because of complications from medication/transplant/AN Other.

Good luck with finding out information and if you do, then let us know.
thanks

Also sorry for derailing. I realise this had trans as a focus point

You dont need a womb to feel like a real woman anyway. I've had a hysterectomy. I no longer have a womb. I'm still a woman!!!!

Just putting this out there...again....

"..he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans..."

@MagpiePi
Ahead of their time!

I think this person is addicted to surgery. They reached the maximum amount of surgery possible when they were their birth sex, then used transitioning as a reason to have more.
I think psychological help is needed, not more surgery.
Only because there is affirmation only was this person allowed to transition. I think they're one of the worst possible candidates because of their other issues.

Just a weird thought

I looked up this person and they have spent over £1M on “procedures “ and every photo I saw was designer everything and blingtastic watches etc.

Then they showed his tiny studio apt somewhere. Where is all this money coming from?

Also clearly this person has some issues. I think a doctor who would operate on such a person should be struck off

MagpiePi That scene never gets old

@GothamGirl1970

Also sorry for derailing. I realise this had trans as a focus point

No need to apologise, I am sorry for what you have been through.

In response to a PP, I read somewhere that they are a trust fund baby, and all the money comes from an inheritance.

A recent study found that over 90% of 182 trans women respondants, would like a uterus transplant to feel more feminine, alleviate dysphoria and improve quality of life.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2775302

A paper discussing uterine transplantation in transgender women.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6492192/

Paper on transmen being potential donors for transwomen.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29379666/

re. Lili Elbe (The Danish Girl) Have to add though that this was in the 1930s and I'm not sure what the ethical process was in those days or even if there was one! Does anyone know?

There’s a passage in Helen Joyce’s book, Trans, about the surgery done on Elbe. It mentions ovaries being taken from ‘a young woman’, then later explains that doctors used to blame practically all women’s ills on ‘hysteria’ & would remove their reproductive organs as a kind of catch-all cure. I would guess Elbe’s uterus came from a similar source.

It was chilling.

nauticant

"It is about trying to change how people think by assuming a medical horror is a run-of-the-mill thing just round the corner. It's Overton Window stuff, not science."

The shift in narrative is that transwomen are the same as women who have fertility issues, or the same as women who are infertile.
It has been said that it may be against the law not to allow transwomen have uterus implants.

We’re not even close to it. A recent experiment in China with rats, showed the scientists literally having to stitch the female to the male to sustain the pregnancy in the males body. Pregnancy needs a female body to support it, not simply a uterus. Current putting a uterus into a man’s body would kill him.

However, men seem so obsessed with colonising this female only experience, that I think they’ll get there one day. They can’t stand the idea that women can do something they can’t.

All I can see in my mind is Arnold Schwarzenegger in Jnr 😂😂

Or the life of Brian "I want a baby" scene 😂😂

There's a reason this always given comedic value...because it's a joke 🙄

It has been said that it may be against the law not to allow transwomen have uterus implants.

I see this logic as one of the end goals.

When Ivy/MacKinnon states 'It is simply inconsistent and hypocritical to grant that trans women are “women” but not “female” and that trans women should not compete against "female" athletes.' You can really see what activists end game is.

This activist just said the quiet bit out loud to remind us all, in case we were lulled into a false sense that these males understood the reality of their bodies.

So lets forget about the pelvis not being the right shape or size or depth
& think about the urological bit - not only would they have to reshape/alter the penis etc but they would have to remove the prostate & change the male urological placement & shape -
Giving a woman who does not have a womb a transplant is completely different & if my (vague)recollection of a successful case it isn't even permanent - I think it was removed after the women became a mother - probably because of the ongoing medication.
Perhaps someone should warn Jessica that she would be vulnerable to covid -

[quote Oncewasblueandyellowtwo]A recent study found that over 90% of 182 trans women respondants, would like a uterus transplant to feel more feminine, alleviate dysphoria and improve quality of life.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2775302[/quote]
Fantasy, of course. The reality of being a woman in her fertile years, dealing with periods and the risk/realities of pregnancy and childbirth are not what they're after at all. I doubt the open discrimination against women of childbearing age in the world of work would go down well either.