Jessica Alves talks about a womb transplant.......

[RVN123]

You probably know of this trans person, has been in the media a LOT due to plastic surgery etc.
Has recently transitioned. Was in the press a few days ago saying they could not wait to lose their 'virginity' with a man, and now is hoping for a 'womb transplant'.
Do you think this will ever be possible? My thinking is (hopefully) not. Too many hurdles to overcome (synthetic hormones, anti rejection drugs, pelvis wrong shape, no way to give birth naturally, how to replicate changing hormones during a pregnancy etc ).
Is that all it takes now to be a woman? A plastic surgeon and shoving in a donated uterus? Makes me feel deeply uneasy, I pray no ethics committee will ever allow this to happen.
Its all a bit Frankensteinian.
Thoughts?

@RVN123

A quick Google tells me :

"The first successful uterus transplant took place in Sweden in 2014. To date, approximately 50 have been performed around the world, resulting in 16 live births."

So even in biological females, the success rate is only about 30%. I'm sure that figure would be far far smaller in biological men, presuming there was ever a surgeon who would do it.

Just read she also "hopes to conceive naturally". How the actual hell is THAT ever going to happen?

Previous relevant thread about transplants and in whom they've been done to date: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4187757-Womb-Transplants

Don’t women need to go into immuno suppressants while they have those transplanted uteruses? And if they have a child, they then have them removed.

So, the reality is that for this vanity implant, because it is certainly not a transplant, is a male will live their life with no immunity to be able to have an organ that they don’t have the body to support. No vascular connection, no endocrine system to support it, no actual need for it. Because some mad doctors are selling false dreams following from experiments of growing lambs in fake plastic wombs.

What ethics committee would allow a human to grow in such a hostile and synthetic environment? It is not like that male has a female reproductive system needed to cope with what is needed to supply an infant with all their needs for nine months.

This is NOT anything like a uterus transplant for a female.

Scientists have been working on growing organs in a lab, presumably for transplants and the like. Grow a womb in a lab? The male body wouldn't support it well, as was said. However, I wouldn't be so quick to say it is impossible. Think of how fast tech and science has progressed lately! Could a male get hip surgery to widen hips? I agree it's a terrible idea, especially for the poor baby ffs! Unfortunately I do think a lot of things are possible. SHOULD we is the question. They said man couldn't fly in the sky either, but now planes are everywhere. Hopefully some things are just impossible for humans to do.

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Well, that person clearly has a plastic surgeon who is comfortable working in a way that seems to be quite far removed from "first do no harm".

So, I'm sure they'd give bunging in a uterus a bash if that's what Jessica said they wanted and Jessica had enough money to pay for it.

I'm concerned for Jessica's wellbeing.

Sadly I think you're right. This person must have chronic dysmorphia. The ethics of the surgeons repeatedly altering them must be questionable.

I'd be extremely concerned for the child
If this will ever happen.
Agree JA appears quite unwell

So on the one hand it's terribly transphobic to talk about women and their reproductive capacity, yet on the other hand to feel like a real woman they need reproductive capacity?

I wish they'd make their minds up!

Jesssica uses plastic surgery to deal with their emotions. As a result, they never truly deal with their emotions, so they constantly need the next fix (I.e. more surgery).

Counseling should be a standard part of the plastic surgery consultancy precisely for this reason.

It’s not going to happen anytime soon, it’s simply not. Chinese scientists managed to get a male rat to give birth and less than 10% survived. This was with a live female rat surgically attached to the male as a constant supply of female blood is required.

I very much doubt they can do this

They might be able to put in the womb but it wouldn’t do anything. Wouldn’t be able to sustain life or have a menstrual cycle.

If they really wanted a baby, they would adopt but no. They want to be able to have one to say they are a real woman

I do believe this will become very much the norm, very quickly. They are making medical breakthroughs rapidly. This group want this.
Makes me very sad indeed.

What a world we live in where an individual like this, who clearly has serious mental health issues, is given platforms to pontificate from.

Frightening.

Has JA ever said why they want to be a woman? What does being a woman mean?

It won’t ever happen, even if someone does try it it wouldn’t work, but even if it did the resulting baby wouldn’t be theirs because the eggs would still have to come from a biological female.

What they want simply cannot be, and the sooner some people accept that the better.

Just looked this person up that’s a scary amount of surgery.

You can't implant a womb to a male body. Where would it go? What would it attach to? There is no existing support system for it so presumably it would degrade. Then you have a dying organ festering inside a male body. 🤢

I'd be extremely concerned for the child
If this will ever happen.
Agree JA appears quite unwell

This. Aside from the obvious severe body dysphoria issues which have led to ever increasing amounts of plastic surgery, isn't this the same person who was asked to leave the Big Brother house for allegedly sexually assaulting a male contestant? www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7233207/dan-osborne-reveals-the-real-reason-rodrigo-alves-was-kicked-out-of-celebrity-big-brother-and-admits-he-did-something-inappropriate-towards-him/

It would mean implanting not just a uterus, but the attached vagina, fallopian tubes and ovaries, too, if a 'natural' conception and birth is to be even a remote possibility. Presumable these organs would have to be harvested from a young, healthy donor who has died by trauma that has not impacted her abdominal organs. 😥

Then there's the orchestration of the hormonal cycle, alongside the immunosuppression associated with conventional transplants, which this would not be. Every recipient of a transplant, be it liver, heart, kidney or cornea, was originally in possession of that organ, so all the connections and the properly shaped space are there waiting. This would be an implant; an extra organ that was never there and for which there are no connections.

The risk would be that the organs would just die and begin to rot, endangering the life of the recipient. It's a fantasy.

Medical science develops transplant technology to save lives, not to pander to fantasists.

If someone who wants children cannot conceive by conventional means, there are children out there who need parents. But perhaps parenthood with all its self-sacrifice and unconditional love is not the ultimate goal here; pregnancy is!

I always recommend this on threads about this Crowd science podcast on artificial wombs which also talks about womb transplants

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswvxh

Hormonally I can't see it ever working, look at how many women who 'on paper' have the appropriate hormone balance but still fail to either conceive or carry a pregnancy to term.

However the point about pelvic shape I think would be less of an issue. I know of a young women who had 12+ hours on the operating table to reconstruct her pelvis after being hit by a train, and she has carried more than one pregnancy to term (or close enough). I assume she had a c section delivery but that's hardly a barrier to childbirth.

Omg that rat thing is fucking disgusting and totally unethical. How can we justify seeing animals together for something that's so unnecessary. It's shocking

This person is extremely damaged and their supposed gender dysphoria and subsequent surgery is another drug to them. It's quite sad really.

I don't believe this will ever be physically possible thankfully.

It wouldn't be a transplant but an implant. It's an important distinction.

Do these people understand rne complexity of pregnancy? Of the delicate balance that is a pregnant woman’s body. The hormones pumping in her body at just the right time to support her child?

These people are narcissistic. The constant need for validation is telling. Grandiose narcissists need validation almost constantly. So you do the math.

What doctor would even do this? A man’s body is not made to carry a child.

It’s a fantasy. We still don’t fully understand pregnancy otherwise they might be able to help more infertile women/prevent miscarriage more.