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JKR takes on the victim blamers over the pornography tweeted at children

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OvaHere · 18/07/2021 10:35

I'm glad she's said this. It's despicable that TRA's subjected children to this in the first instance but even more so that they double down to blame the woman they targeted.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1416680018416181248

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AlfonsoTheMango · 20/07/2021 11:45

[quote Helleofabore]You mean this one Alfonso?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4301202-Nurse-Being-Investigated-For-I-Love-JK-Rowling-Sign-in-Vancouvrr-Canada?msgid=109237448#109237448[/quote]
Yes. Thank you. That is the one. I hadn't seen the thread on MN but read about it elsewhere.

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ScreamingMeMe · 20/07/2021 11:46

I mean you could turn that on its head and say that Spurling is responsible for rhe threats to JK, couldn't you? If you wanted to go down that "logic" route.

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AlfonsoTheMango · 20/07/2021 11:52

@ScreamingMeMe

JK Rowling is responsible for a trans person getting threats, apparently (they haven't clarified how).

That is appalling. First, J K Rowling has received thousands - not hundreds - of threats. Second, Rowling is not responsible for any threats - and I doubt they number in the thousands as barely anyone knows who Spurling is - Spurling has received.

Spurling's tweet is menacing - "a bigger hammer" and "who started it". But Twitter will ignore it, of course.
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ScreamingMeMe · 20/07/2021 12:02

Here's the interaction between Spurling and Rowling, including a nonapology from Spurling ("she's using her wealth to silence meeeee"), for context.

twitter.com/NicESpurling/status/1266527460473987072?s=20

JKR takes on the victim blamers over the pornography tweeted at children
JKR takes on the victim blamers over the pornography tweeted at children
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FannyCann · 20/07/2021 12:22

I wouldn't have accepted that non apology, I wonder what Spurling's lawyer's advice was with respect to that.

I think JK isn't that keen to waste time and effort on legal cases, especially with nonentities, though there are probably quite a few warning letters sent that we never hear about because most people with any sense recognise when they are outgunned and quickly back down. I suspect she's waiting for a bigger fish to catch but then again, she's a very magnanimous woman and probably just doesn't want to go down that route unless she really is driven to it.

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AlfonsoTheMango · 20/07/2021 13:04

I guess Spurling found out who has the bigger hammer.

And, Spurling, stop with the childish "You started it" nonsense and the whining about wealth. Rowling's wealth is entirely self-made and she has used it to support women and children.

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FloralBunting · 20/07/2021 13:08

Yes "Waah, the woman I libelled is successful enough to call me to account" isn't quite the devastating victim stance Spurling thinks it is.

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ScreamingMeMe · 20/07/2021 13:51

Also I should point out that Spurling isn't just some twitter random: they are a member of the Green Party in British Columbia.

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AlfonsoTheMango · 20/07/2021 14:58

@ScreamingMeMe

Also I should point out that Spurling isn't just some twitter random: they are a member of the Green Party in British Columbia.

How surprising! Green Party! Canada! It's almost as though there was a pattern.
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TheChild · 20/07/2021 16:34

@ScreamingMeMe

I mean you could turn that on its head and say that Spurling is responsible for rhe threats to JK, couldn't you? If you wanted to go down that "logic" route.

Having a look at the screenshot Spurling posted, I'm very sceptical that it's even genuine. It reads just like every single threat JK has received from angry little incels that hate women has received. I would be absolutely SHOCKED to find out a TRA had created that account with the intention of posting that to make GC women look "violent".

I don't doubt there is genuine transphobia in the world, but this ain't it. I'd love to see further evidence of all the so called violence and death threats made by feminists, too bad the receipts are never forthcoming.
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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 21/07/2021 17:53

Andrew Doyle: The attacks on JK Rowling are unhinged and based on a complete misrepresentation of her views. [Tweet has an embedded interview with GBNews]

twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1417586958952505351?s=20

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ScreamingMeMe · 21/07/2021 18:29

The hilariously bad criticisms of JK Rowling

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2021 20:18

Just watched that Screaming, very good!

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ScreamingMeMe · 21/07/2021 21:12

He's great, isn't he?

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ScreamingMeMe · 21/07/2021 21:19

[quote EmbarrassingAdmissions]Andrew Doyle: The attacks on JK Rowling are unhinged and based on a complete misrepresentation of her views. [Tweet has an embedded interview with GBNews]

twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1417586958952505351?s=20[/quote]
I see he jas given an example of what we've all experienced:

1).Ask a TRA what JK Rowling said that was transphobic
2) TRA posts link to an article or blog post or YouTube video with a bad faith interpretation of what she said and a load of waffling, hyperbolic extrapolation
3) Ask for direct quotes from Rowling that back this up
4) TRA refers back to article/blog/video
5) No, that's opinion and interpretation, not proof. Please can you provide actual proof?
6) TRA insults and blocks.

There's even a couple of them doing the same in the replies Hmm

twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1417593246381789188?s=20

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lionheart · 21/07/2021 21:37

Seems familiar Screaming.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 21/07/2021 21:53

There's even a couple of them doing the same in the replies

There is no indication of any pause for reflection about what they're doing.

Just when are they going to have the, Hang on a moment - why am I behaving in this irrational manner that is doubling-down on how little regard I have for evidence based scrutiny?

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Datun · 21/07/2021 22:21

It's insane. It must make Andrew Doyle fear for humanity. You ask them to show a transphobic thing she said, and they show you something that someone else has said 😂

And keep doing it. They are desperate for it to be true.

It's very weird to watch. Because they truly do dislike J. K. Rowling for showing them a mirror and showing them actual reality. But they can't admit that it's a reflection, and that it's real. So they have to find some other roundabout way of explaining why they don't like her. Even tho it's fiction.

That's why they will never go, oh yeah you're right.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 21/07/2021 23:07

Because they truly do dislike J. K. Rowling for showing them a mirror and showing them actual reality. But they can't admit that it's a reflection, and that it's real.

Like JKR's Erised mirror - the reflection is something the individual deeply wants to be true but it isn't?

It's very disturbing to watch people waste away in service of this. Do you think it's the cognitive dissonance that is leading people to block Doyle on this point because they are experiencing discomfort - or is it an extension of #nodebate?

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Datun · 22/07/2021 09:57

Probably both. But Doyle is a man. And therefore far more credible, than even a woman of J. K. Rowling's success and wealth.

Plus he's gay so already part of the LGBT. And he's very clever, incredibly articulate and quick thinking.

And he gets it.

He's got to be a massive worry on all fronts.

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Tesla73 · 23/07/2021 11:12

Brendan O Neill was really good on this on GBNews this week and his article here is spot on

The silence of some is just as bad as taking the side of her abusers - cowards every one of them especially "feminist" Emma Watson

www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/22/your-silence-wont-save-you/

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lionheart · 24/07/2021 10:57

That O'Neill piece is excellent.

'The forces of unreason, illiberalism and denunciation that are now central to woke activism, and especially trans activism, cannot be countered by keeping quiet. They won’t just fade away. They have to be confronted, forcefully, with clear arguments in favour of freedom of speech, rational discussion and women’s rights. It’s the Rowling Test – will you or will you not speak out against the misogynistic persecution of JK Rowling and others who have been found guilty of thoughtcrime by the kangaroo courts of the regressive regime of wokeness? Right now, many are failing this test, miserably.'

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 24/07/2021 11:14

that's a good piece from Brendan O'Neil. I suspect he' a man on a journey. I find him much less objectionable than I did 2 years ago.

It takes him until the final third of the article, but he does note that the treatment of J K Rowling is largely driven by misogyny.

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serendipitea · 24/07/2021 11:35

For the many fans of JKR, not only for her position on women but for being a smart, fun and intelligent woman, she will be on Radio 4 this evening at 7pm to talk about "magic and illusion, switching genres, creativity , sheds, sherry and coffee shops" with Simon Armitage, the poet laureate.

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