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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Survey- Public attitudes to transgender prisoners

179 replies

highame · 16/07/2021 09:26

This from FPFW site.

This MSc student is looking at public attitudes to transgender prisoners. It takes about 10 minutes to complete and could be an important measure of public opinion. Please take a moment to fill in.
t.co/LXpRTvw8Ji?amp=1study and please share.

I think this is bona fide. It's on FPFW site so nothing to suggest otherwise

OP posts:
Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2021 11:36

They are the narrator, they could have stated that he raped someone. Why introduce doubt into it? The same principle should hold in either case.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2021 11:37

I got that one too which is what my earlier comment about false accusations was about.

Megasausagehead · 16/07/2021 11:38

Because women hate men apparently.

Even when entirely innocent. So let's use some mediocre example to show women for what they truly are.

Boadicea2 · 16/07/2021 11:38

Interesting - in the one I got he was accused of assault not sexual assault.

Tibtom · 16/07/2021 11:40

Robin is 27 but his nasty transphobic parents made him move out because of his attraction to clothes? (i presume they were naturists too).

Diverze · 16/07/2021 11:41

Mine started the same, but just said he had started to wear female clothing.

Must be scenarios expressing different levels of transgender "commitment" - or stages along the path - for want of a better word.

Cerebelle · 16/07/2021 11:42

Completed but felt it was very poorly written. The scenario didn't actually go into whether the argument actually included violence, just that assault was later alleged. Therefore many of the following questions were a) difficult to answer and b) possibly manipulative.

Lots of the views questions were also not well written. Like the virginity before marriage - not for me but no issues with anyone who would prefer to run their relationship that way. Difficult to tell with many of them whether you were supposed to be commenting as in your life, as a phenomenon or as a potential rule.

Megasausagehead · 16/07/2021 11:42

@Boadicea2

Interesting - in the one I got he was accused of assault not sexual assault.
Just noticed that, yes mine was "just" assault, no hormones.
Clymene · 16/07/2021 11:45

Yes Robin was accused of assault, not sexual assault in my scenario.

I have never darned a sock in my life.

qwert9873 · 16/07/2021 11:46

The supervisor of this study is GC according to her Twitter. Challenges Mermaids and suggest psychological support rather than medicalisation @kweeves is her handle

Megasausagehead · 16/07/2021 11:47

@qwert9873

The supervisor of this study is GC according to her Twitter. Challenges Mermaids and suggest psychological support rather than medicalisation *@kweeves* is her handle
Get out!
Comingoutfighting · 16/07/2021 11:47

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Megasausagehead · 16/07/2021 11:49

@Comingoutfighting

I think between all of us clever MN women we could design a better survey about attitudes that would clarify the issues . Anyone up for it? I have to say I have no knowledge of how to set up data stuff but I bet there are loads of us that do.
My 8 year old could probably do better than that!
SchrodingersUnicorn · 16/07/2021 11:49

That was a terribly written survey (and I say that as someone with a doctorate who had a background in research before my current career). Is it worth linking this thread to the supervisor? I can't see that the student will get any useful or meaningful data from this. Obvious issues that jumped out:

  • the "offender" in scenario 1 - I'm not even sure if he was trans or not (the survey uses male pronouns?). Also I assume from the follow up questions we were meant to assume he was convicted or the survey doesn't make sense?
  • lots of questions on the possibly trans prisoner are meaningless unless you know what the person answering the survey says about prisoners in general. I said yes to personal rehab programme because I think all prisoners should have one. Also what does 'prisoners such as these' mean? Prisoners such as sex offenders? Transpeople? Men who like to wear dresses but use male pronouns still? The question is so vague the data should be discarded
-Pro virginity at marriage? I'm pro whatever someone wants to be! Their choice,not mine.
  • the survey was written as if for Americans ('check' for bill) and also with a very American representation of religion but presumably aimed at a UK audience. Religion in the UK is much more liberal in general but the author doesn't seem to understand this. They really should have asked for some guidance from the Theology and Religion department.
-'Bible truth'. What does that mean? Literal truth? Believe the Bible as a God-inspired guide to life but written by fallible men in a particular social and historical context? It's far too ambiguous.
  • Who darns socks these days?
  • Am I meant to object as a feminist to men offering seats to women? It depends on the context. Offering seat to pregnant woman, yes please.
Considering writing to the supervisor to tell her how academically poor this survey is.
GrandmaSteglitszch · 16/07/2021 11:49

I don't see this on the FPFW site.

OP seems not likely to come back.
Does anyone have a link to this on FPFW?

OldCrone · 16/07/2021 11:50

I've opened the survey again, and this time it's exactly the same, except it says 'physical assault' instead of 'sexual assault'.

I'm not sure why they think that makes a difference. A violent male is a violent male. It wouldn't have made any difference to my answers.

And the hormones thing is a red herring. A violent male taking female hormones is still a violent male.

Did anyone get a scenario where the male transgender person was convicted of a non-violent crime?

OldCrone · 16/07/2021 11:50

@GrandmaSteglitszch

I don't see this on the FPFW site.

OP seems not likely to come back.
Does anyone have a link to this on FPFW?

It's on their twitter. I posted a link earlier.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2021 11:52

The supervisor of this study is GC according to her Twitter. Challenges Mermaids and suggest psychological support rather than medicalisation @kweeves is her handle

It's quite possible the supervisor is GC and the student isn't.

qwert9873 · 16/07/2021 11:56

@Ereshkigalangcleg true. I was surprised to see a Goldsmiths lecturer with openly GC views.

Tibtom · 16/07/2021 11:56

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The supervisor of this study is GC according to her Twitter. Challenges Mermaids and suggest psychological support rather than medicalisation *@kweeves* is her handle

It's quite possible the supervisor is GC and the student isn't.

That might explain how it was allowed out - the supervisor too afraid of being accused of transphobia to pull the student up on their poor work
BobbinThreadbare123 · 16/07/2021 11:57

I tried to answer it but it's an absolute load of bunk. I'd have expected better writing and question structure from someone doing A Levels, let alone a Master's! Also "paycheck"? Is this taken from an American study?

Horizons83 · 16/07/2021 12:00

Well I've just completed it. I agree that the questions are terrible (I don't think that this person should be housed in a women's prison but it's nothing to do with how dangerous they are, I would feel the same if they were in prison for not paying their council tax).

But if the student thinks that 'negative' trans views align with religious conservatives they will be in for a surprise when they read my responses to the later part of the survey!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2021 12:01

Would you want to be openly GC at Goldsmiths? With Natasha Kennedy etc? The gulag awaits...

Horizons83 · 16/07/2021 12:01

To be fair, we are all making the assumption that the student WANTS to verify the link... these questions could just as easily be supporting a hypothesis that there is no link to religious conservatives.

The questions in the first part are badly worded though.

Wildgarlicpesto · 16/07/2021 12:02

Well I suppose what it will show is that there is no correlation between those American evangelical right wing conservative blah blah opinions and men in women's prisons after all. It's commonly repeated as if it's a fact based statement when it's completely made up.

If you look at it that way it's quite useful really.