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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sian Berry

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Davros · 14/07/2021 18:21

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sian-berry-green-party-trans-rights-row-b1883943.html%3famp
She has quit as leader if the Green Party over trans issues. But I can't work out if she is TWAW or "they" are

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Igneococcus · 15/07/2021 21:20

Have you seen the comment piece by Margarete Stokowski on trans rights in the Spiegel CharlieParley? You just reminded me of it mentioning Germany.

DeRigueurMortis · 16/07/2021 01:22

@donquixotedelamancha

It's not like she'd actually have to make any "investment".

That's a bit unfair. I'm sure she'd dye her hair blue.

Grin
PenguindreamsofDraco · 16/07/2021 08:04

The Green Party isn't pro- trans enough?

The Greens??

GrinShockConfusedConfused

AlfonsoTheMango · 16/07/2021 08:19

Berry isn't stupid but she's not as clever as she would like to think she is. What better group to bend the knee to than one that holds a disproportionate amount of power to its size?

Unfortunately for her and fortunately for us, that strategy failed.

CharlieParley · 16/07/2021 13:58

@Igneococcus

Have you seen the comment piece by Margarete Stokowski on trans rights in the Spiegel CharlieParley? You just reminded me of it mentioning Germany.
Just read it. Typically confused and minimising of concerns. This bit actually annoyed me

die »Vornamens- und Personenstandsänderung muss mit einer einfachen Erklärung beim Standesamt möglich werden

(Translation: The changing of one's name and status through a simple declaration at the registry office must be allowed.)

The way this is presented as a basic human right in the context of German naming laws is misleading. It's almost impossible for all German citizens to change their name. This causes issues for a variety of people, not only those wishing to transition.

The Green Party and the Liberal Party recently had a law proposal also containing this demand about name changes rejected in the German Parliament recently. If it ever passes into law, the trans community will have rights no other German citizens have. And I predict that right will be used by all those not otherwise allowed to change their names, including convicted criminals and fraudsters as no safeguards are planned at all.

But if you point that out, they'll tell you it will never happen.

Until it does.

PurpleParrotfish · 17/07/2021 11:38

Interview published today: t.co/49MWd1rboR?amp=1

JustSpeculation · 17/07/2021 11:59

[quote PurpleParrotfish]Interview published today: t.co/49MWd1rboR?amp=1[/quote]
Extraordinary. Berry has complete tunnel vision. Unable to see anything outside her own mindset.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 18/07/2021 15:38

I’m disappointed by that Open Democracy site. I thought it sounded a bit left wing, free speech, civil society based. It showed a long list of themes, and regions of the world. But no section on women’s rights — major issues especially in developing countries.

I tried the section on ‘gender and sexuality’ and it looked as if women’s issues were tucked in there, a few mentions of abortion and violence against women among a steady stream of stories about ‘transphobia’.

dyslek · 18/07/2021 18:20

Career politician; 'Iv been really stuck for the last month...so Im resigning'

Nah, dont buy it. Dont buy it for a second.

LizzieSiddal · 18/07/2021 18:45

“It’s just so important that we stand up for everyone who’s being demonised and picked on at the moment.

Ok, well when are you going to do that for women Sian?

TabbyStar · 18/07/2021 20:35

That would be Shahrar who's being demonised and picked on. The young greens have apparently passed a motion against his role as spokesperson 🙄

ArabellaScott · 18/07/2021 21:22

Watching that interview ... climate change/ecology not mentioned once. What has happened to this party? It's become absurd. Still, perhaps a good thing Berry has gone if she is this bad at reason/logic.

MellieBellie · 18/07/2021 21:55

I found this quote ironic:

"But if you’re putting forward ideas that really might have such an impact on somebody, you have a duty to do that carefully"

Not when it's women though - they don't matter to the Green Party.

mollythemeerkat · 19/07/2021 00:22

Gender criticals guilty of causing a "moral panic". OK then Sian - off you go, clearly not enough people bought into your version of reality.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/07/2021 21:52

Berry needs to FATWOAWSGTFOSM

Tesla73 · 20/07/2021 08:46

Good article from Jo Bartosch on this here

www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/19/the-greens-torn-apart-by-trans-mania/

mollythemeerkat · 21/07/2021 13:14

Article in the recent Private Eye: "Green Chutes". After describing the recent antics around Sian Berry, Shahrah Ali, Katherine Bristow et al, delivers the following quote from someone described as a "veteran member": Rumours are everywhere, no-one knows if they are true. disciplinary decisions are announced and then revoked. We might as well be members of the North Korean communist party.

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