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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sian Berry

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Davros · 14/07/2021 18:21

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sian-berry-green-party-trans-rights-row-b1883943.html%3famp
She has quit as leader if the Green Party over trans issues. But I can't work out if she is TWAW or "they" are

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titchy · 14/07/2021 19:08

Aimee's former stepbrother (now stepsister)

Didn't know that - 'kinell it must run in families HmmShock

AlfonsoTheMango · 14/07/2021 19:10

It is indeed a family with a wealth of issues.

Enough4me · 14/07/2021 19:12

"Women's rights and trans rights go hand in hand"...first that is not possible and second trans rights appear to take the top controlling hand...women, know your place.

dyslek · 14/07/2021 19:13

Sian maybe a woman hating dick, but she is not stupid.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 14/07/2021 19:33

@Manderleyagain

There's more detail here too. inews.co.uk/news/politics/sian-berry-quits-as-green-party-co-leader-over-inconsistencies-around-trans-issues-1103236

From this article its more that because shahrar Ali (and maybe others?) was elected as a spokesperson she thinks this gives mixed messages about their intentions re trans rights so she's stepped down. Quite how she thinks it'll play out i don't know.

He has a strong background as an ethicist so it feels positive that Ali is now a spokesperson.
Campervan69 · 14/07/2021 19:39

I have huge respect for Shahrar Ali and see this flounce as a very positive step forward for The Green Party.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/07/2021 19:42

I've been following Ali for a bit, and I amazed he hasn't thrown in the towel given all the hate he gets. I'm also very surprised that TRAs haven't managed to get him suspended / expelled from the party yet.

mollythemeerkat · 14/07/2021 19:46

Green Party spokesperson said: "We are proud to be the most progressive party on issues ranging from trans rights to immigration, from the rights of women to the climate emergency". Hmmmm

FKATondelayo · 14/07/2021 20:01

I've got a feeling there is a story behind this. Someone as nakedly ambitious as SB doesn't give up being leader this easily. I wonder what will emerge.

Summerhillsquare · 14/07/2021 20:01

They will tear themselves apart over this, foolishly IMO.

Shahrar Ali is indeed a women's rights advocate, and one of their few prominent members of colour. And a spokesperson for them.

GNCQ · 14/07/2021 20:05

Canadians are presently dying in their thousands because of global warming.

The green party care about..... Pronouns, and giving sex predators an orgasmatron...

Kit19 · 14/07/2021 20:21

@dyslek

The Green Party is totally captured and now is only interested in this issue. So the claim that Sian has steped down because the meanies are too powerful is bullshit, its a total lie. She knows the tide is turning and is saving her reputation.
This! I dont buy her reasons for one second. This is the party that has allowed a TW to become co chair of the womens group and then use their position to try bully the female co chair out of their job.

The only way the Greens could be more TWAW would be if they changed the party name to the Green TWAW Party

I suspect something is going to come out that isnt going to play at all well in the media. They got away with the Challenor stuff because it happened 2 years ago when most of the press hadnt a clue what was really going on. Now they do......

TabbyStar · 14/07/2021 20:52

No idea what's going on, it was announced initially through the media and not officially though GP channels, but hopefully it will bring to the attention of more members the ridiculousness of the GP position.

Wildgarlicpesto · 14/07/2021 22:03

Why is it so important to Sian that the Greens have one voice on trans inclusion? So much so that she's quitting with this as the reason?

Because she will (and probably already is) get vile abuse from the trans inclusionary greens for failing to "stamp out" different opinions and as she can't do that she's promoting this as the reason in an attempt to deflect the abuse.

littlbrowndog · 14/07/2021 22:17

Has she not just gone off to a better paid job despite her whiny post without actually saying anything

Them rich women with all the privilege ☹️

GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 14/07/2021 23:07

This is why extinction rebellion exist - the left will eat itself while the planet burns

nettie434 · 14/07/2021 23:14

They were just talking about this on the news and so I came here to find out more. The discussion on the news was similarly inconclusive in terms of what these 'mixed messages' on trans rights were. What they did say was that her co-leader had resigned a few weeks ago so yet again there will be leadership elections.

Littlbrowndog asks if she is going to a better paid job. The BBC website quotes her saying she will concentrate on being a London Assembly member. Like Holyrood and the Senedd, London Assembly members are elected via the constituency or additional member routes. You get two votes - 1 for where you live and 1 for the party list (and another vote for Mayor but that's not relevant here).

There is nowhere in London where the Greens are likely to get a constituency seat either as an MP or as an Assembly member. However, adding up all the Green votes across London, she has got quite a nice safe seat in the Assembly so I think that there's something in the suggestion that she is trying to get a smaller but more secure power base.

Obviously there could be other things going on. Maybe, too, there are people in the Greens who resemble those Labour members who are more interested in ideological purity than in helping the people they claim to be concerned about by actually getting elected and be in a position to do something.

Davros · 14/07/2021 23:25

@titchy

Aimee's former stepbrother (now stepsister)

Didn't know that - 'kinell it must run in families HmmShock

Or it's catching. They can't have been wearing their face masks
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Manderleyagain · 15/07/2021 11:05

In March Some members of the GP put forward a motion at conference to add sex to the list of protected characteristics in their anti discrimination policy. From the spectator:

"All the motion aimed to do was simply add a paragraph to the Green party’s ‘Our Rights and Responsibilities Policy’. The motion reads:

‘This is to include the protected characteristic of sex as currently our Record of Policy statements supports the other eight characteristics (age, disability, gender reassignment, sexual orientation, race, maternity, religion/belief, marriage/civil partnership) but not that of sex discrimination – aimed primarily at women…’ "

The GP voted against the motion. They chose not to be against sex discrimination. They are only against discrimination of the other 8 characteristics. Spectator again:

"The motion was opposed because, in essence, it is considered ‘transphobic’ to recognise that women are targeted by male oppression precisely because of their female sex."

Sign was very pleased with the result. I can't quite believe this is true, but it's true.

Manderleyagain · 15/07/2021 11:05

*Sian not Sign!

PurpleHoodie · 15/07/2021 11:22

littlbrowndog

Probably, yes.

PurpleHoodie · 15/07/2021 11:23

Poor little rich girls Grin

mollythemeerkat · 15/07/2021 11:23

Hard to believe Manderley, I agree, and also the reason why a lot of women left the Green Party. SB leaving has to be a step in the right direction. There are many good local Green councillors but this gender ideology stuff just puts people off and more people are cottoning on to it now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2021 11:28

Sign was very pleased with the result. I can't quite believe this is true, but it's true.

She's a complete disgrace. Imagine cheering on women's sex based rights not being considered.

Keepemguessing · 15/07/2021 11:30

@GoodbyePorpoiseSpit

This is why extinction rebellion exist - the left will eat itself while the planet burns
Extinction Rebellion are just as bad.

twitter.com/ExtinctionR/status/1411468822339481600