Sian Berry

[Davros]

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sian-berry-green-party-trans-rights-row-b1883943.html%3famp
She has quit as leader if the Green Party over trans issues. But I can't work out if she is TWAW or "they" are

And that makes their ridiculous toytown policy out of step with U.K. law where they have a duty to treat all 9 protected characteristics fairly, not just the ones they fancy or which don't challenge their ideology.

gript.ie/nature-is-queer-extinction-rebellion/

Next time I'm feeling rueful about my own less than stellar career I shall remind myself that at least I have never supported the removal of women's and girls' rights.

Good write up on the subject from Suzanne Moore

suzannemoore.substack.com/p/if-the-green-party-does-not-know?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyOTk4MDQ4MiwicG9zdF9pZCI6Mzg3OTI3MzAsIl8iOiIrd1BUSSIsImlhdCI6MTYyNjM1MjAzNSwiZXhwIjoxNjI2MzU1NjM1LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMjIzNTY2Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.m8ncG-FyJ97XZJaZcpMSn36D5lRqXfxpUbIZDy0JRPI

From Suzanne`s article: Inclusive means including women and children. Without this, the Greens are just another compost heap of fringe concerns , virtue signalling and bad clothes

@mollythemeerkat

From Suzanne`s article: Inclusive means including women and children. Without this, the Greens are just another compost heap of fringe concerns , virtue signalling and bad clothes

That remark made me spit out my tea when I read the email earlier!

Anyone who believes TWAW cannot support the sex based rights of women and girls. They are completely incompatible concepts.

SB is plain evil in the glee with which she has fought against the protection of sex based rights. Never mind the amount of time and effort concentrating on this minority, while the planet burns. And who suffers the most during environmental catastrophe? People in the developing world, women and children at the bottom of the pile, who don't have the middle class, white western, capitalist centric means to suddenly start identifying out of their oppression.

Look at the rot SB has helped create by propping up the Challenors, the legitimacy leant to Aimee Challenor that has allowed them to destroy the reputation of an institution like Girl Guides, and destroy the principles of free speech for women on platforms like Reddit. Never mind the smokescreen of legitimacy the Greens gave the evil father. Fuck off SB. Don't come back.

Sign was very pleased with the result. I can't quite believe this is true, but it's true.

This was her idiotic tweet about women's rights being left out of Green Party equality policy:

“My party voted for inclusive women’s rights and someone is having a big old cry. Thank you Greens”.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I swear! Whilst I can see all the finger-pointing at Big Pharma and still think it's opportunism rather than design; this thought just occurred to me about the Greens.

If I was 'Big Oil', and I wanted to hobble the ecology movement, what could I do that wouldn't land me in court? I'd seek to divert the energy they put into controlling me and my activities, taxing me, guiding my customers towards other suppliers of non-carbon energy - I'd have to divert that energy into something else. I wouldn't have to tie them up completely, infighting will be just as good a diversion of energy as some other trendy cause. If I, as Big Oil/Gas/Coal could just find some cause that they'd run with. It would have to all be under the counter, maybe channel some money to towards activists, not enough to be noticeable but enough to allow them to be full-time activists. The way of all activists is to start a purity spiral/witchhunt, so I'd only need to manoeuvre a few into position, then let the rabbits run. The ecology movement would be effectively out of the game, and I can keep making money and the planet can burn.

What do you think of my conspiracy theory?

Glad she's gone. Hopefully the rest of the Greens will push back on the TWAW nonsense and get back to environmentalism like they're supposed to.

@Angrycat2768

Oh good. I may be able to vote for someone now.

My thoughts exactly!

... although, as others have pointed out, I'd need them to change their view on whether sex should be a protected characteristic.

Just to nitpick, stepsibling above should be half-sibling. I believe the person in question is one of the two male children removed from Tina Challenor by Social Services before she met David and had three children with him (with Social Services paying close attention, for obvious reasons). At least one of the two made contact with her as an adolescent. It's not clear to me when the furry/adult baby stuff began - before or after the contact with the Challenor household. Quite a coincidence if they developed this interest independently, though.

@WhereYouLeftIt
If I was 'Big Oil', and I wanted to hobble the ecology movement, what could I do that wouldn't land me in court? I'd seek to divert the energy they put into controlling me and my activities, taxing me, guiding my customers towards other suppliers of non-carbon energy - I'd have to divert that energy into something else

Hmm so getting the Green Party activists to fill the “useful idiots” role… sounds plausible!
www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/careers/life-at-bp/our-stories/bps-pride-at-stonewall-success.html

So instead of staying to fight/lobby on environment issues (something I would hope she and Ali could find much common ground) she's flounced off over trans ideology because he got elected spokesperson and isn't on board the TWAW gravy train?

I can only interpret that as her believing Trans ideology top trumps her environmental concerns.

In which case, as the latter should be the clear focus of the Green Party, I'd suggest they are better off without a co-leader whose commitment to reducing/ending climate change (and uses sciences such as biology to prove their point and offer solutions) is subservient to a denial of biological reality.

My bet is that she's polishing up her CV for Stonewall after Kelly's disastrous last interview.

We know they pay well.....and frankly she'd have more clout and a bigger platform there than as a co-chair of minor party.

It's a public "I'm free, pick me" flounce.....

Does seem this issue causes organisations and institutions to melt down on contact with reality. In five years time what will have collapsed? Stonewall, Mermaids and their ilk obviously. Fawcett society? Possibly.

And then there will be those that may survive but been through the absolute wringer and trashed their reputations in the process. I'd put the greens in that category. The RA. All of the birthing/childcare charities that are TWAW. The SNP, Labour. And so many health and psychiatry organisations. Child protection orgs. It is a long list.

If I was 'Big Oil', and I wanted to hobble the ecology movement, what could I do that wouldn't land me in court? I'd seek to divert the energy they put into controlling me and my activities... into something else

That's absolutely right. I just think they didn't have to bother, though. The Green Party has been subverted by too many people who wanted to play luxury politics more than they wanted to protect the environment.

@DeRigueurMortis

My bet is that she's polishing up her CV for Stonewall after Kelly's disastrous last interview.

We know they pay well.....and frankly she'd have more clout and a bigger platform there than as a co-chair of minor party.

It's a public "I'm free, pick me" flounce.....

Would she be eligible? She used to be in a relationship with a senior male Green activist, but the online references to that are from a decade ago. No idea what her LGBT+ status might be now.

Would she be eligible? She used to be in a relationship with a senior male Green activist, but the online references to that are from a decade ago. No idea what her LGBT+ status might be now.

Presumably whatever she decides to identify as.....

Choices, choices....

Non-binary? Queer? Two-spirited?

Also Trans - as let's face it the Stonewall criteria has a very large umbrella...

It's not like she'd actually have to make any "investment".

Quick tweet to declare you're whatever you decide you are should do it...

"Acceptance without exception" innit?

CEO of Fawcett seems a more plausible move.

Its depressing that so many organisations might plausibly be keen to have her, but its likely co-leadership of the Green Party was not the height of her ambitions.

Watching loads of German TV right now and Green Party politicians are constantly interviewed on there because they have lots of elected representatives. (Have had for decades.) And they all without exception talk about environmental issues. Of which there are many in Germany, beyond just global warming.

As someone who voted GP from the first time I was allowed a vote until the GP lost its way in the UK, this is a truly welcome sight. Of course the GP can talk about and focus on other issues. But if the main focus of an environmental campaign party is no longer the environment, what is their raison d'être?

It was obvious from that article that she thinks self id etc is the most pressing social issue

Oh yesss, so much the most important issue, when the world is burning up ...

She's still on the London Assembly, so not sure she's heading for anywhere else.

It's not like she'd actually have to make any "investment".

That's a bit unfair. I'm sure she'd dye her hair blue.