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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The charity "Birthrights" is being abused and threatened

165 replies

PumpkinSpiceWoman · 14/07/2021 10:18

Do "GC"s never, ever wonder whether they might be the baddies? Or even uncomfortably close to them?

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toffeebutterpopcorn · 14/07/2021 17:49

Soya sauce, olive oil and chilli. Mmmmmm. Pretty basic but it will be lovely. I also threw in some small cauliflower florettes (it’s just crazy in our kitchen).

ArcheryAnnie · 14/07/2021 17:53

I regularly review my own position so, yes, I often consider whether I am wrong.

Have Birthrights said what kind of "violence" they have been threatened with? Because in a world where a woman saying "no" is considered "violence", and a woman being threatened with rape, death, lynching, burning as a TERF, is just getting what they deserve, it's important to be clear.

chickenyhead · 14/07/2021 17:55

Deflection

Well done.

TheSlayer · 14/07/2021 18:01

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Soya sauce, olive oil and chilli. Mmmmmm. Pretty basic but it will be lovely. I also threw in some small cauliflower florettes (it’s just crazy in our kitchen).
That sounds great. I may have to invite myself round to tea.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 18:04

Oh yes toffee that sounds lovely.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 18:06

Have Birthrights said what kind of "violence" they have been threatened with? Because in a world where a woman saying "no" is considered "violence", and a woman being threatened with rape, death, lynching, burning as a TERF, is just getting what they deserve, it's important to be clear.

This is a key point. I'm not sure Birthrights have elaborated on these nebulous "threats of violence" unlike GC women and public figures who can post pages and pages of receipts.

Viviennemary · 14/07/2021 18:08

What are GC's. Thanks. Googled it but couldnt find anything.

RickiTarr · 14/07/2021 18:10

I think OP means “gender critical people”.

yourhairiswinterfire · 14/07/2021 18:18

Still no evidence of these abusive, threatening GC ''baddies'' then Pumpkin??

Not everything you read on Twatter is true. I understand it's probably exciting thinking you have a reason to come and tell all the silly wimmin off, but maybe check you're telling us off for something that actually happened next time.

TotorosCatBus · 14/07/2021 18:28

There would definitely be screenshots if GC women were posting threats. They'd be retweeted all over the Internet by popular people who believe in TWAW etc

TotorosCatBus · 14/07/2021 18:30

If there were screenshots, people who were undecided or had no opinion about gender issues would be swayed to become an ally.

Please post screenshots

Viviennemary · 14/07/2021 18:32

Thanks RickiTarr.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 14/07/2021 18:36

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Sorry... in my defence... I was trying to fix a technical issue with my laptop and marinade some tofu at the same time (whilst listening to a very interesting radio programme about the Bletchley women).

Bad toffee... (although I did wonder why everyone was yelling at me!)

You can get ready-marinated tofu. I've got some in my fridge right now.

10/10 for multi-tasking, though.Flowers

EarthSight · 14/07/2021 18:52

@ArcheryAnnie

I regularly review my own position so, yes, I often consider whether I am wrong.

Have Birthrights said what kind of "violence" they have been threatened with? Because in a world where a woman saying "no" is considered "violence", and a woman being threatened with rape, death, lynching, burning as a TERF, is just getting what they deserve, it's important to be clear.

This.
Sophoclesthefox · 14/07/2021 19:09

Yes, I also reviewed my position. I was definitely inclusive/a trans ally - I saw no reason why there should be any issue in including transwomen in my feminism. My impression was largely formed by reading things like the series that ran in the Guardian about a transitioner, and other broadly sympathetic stories about transsexuals.

Then in about 2014 someone referred to me as “cis” and I didn’t understand what they meant. They told me, and suggested I educate myself.

So I did! I read everything I could get my hands on, and talked to as many people as I could, before #nodebate really started to kick in. I read Caitlin Jenner tell me that the hardest thing about being a woman was deciding what to wear. I read about the Sylvia Rivera Law Project and Laverne Cox fighting to have Synthia China Blast, a violent child rapist and killer to be freed because of their struggle to be recognised as a woman within the penal system. I read about the targeting and subsequent shutdown of the women only Michfest festival due to its policy that transwomen, although welcome in a specific camp, were not permitted full access.

I changed my mind about my support because I could not help but notice the disastrous impact that the push to replace sex with gender in public life has had women’s rights, and women’s realities, and I’ve not read or discussed anything since that has disabused me of that impression.

You won’t change my mind back by just saying “don’t you think you’re kind of horrid?” Hmm

give women here some credit, if you can, that we have got where we are by a process of reason, based on our experience and knowledge, and if you want that to change, you’re going to have to use reason to make that happen.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 14/07/2021 19:14

jesus, splitting the boards has led to some stupid fucking threads being started

toffeebutterpopcorn · 14/07/2021 19:43

@TotorosCatBus

There would definitely be screenshots if GC women were posting threats. They'd be retweeted all over the Internet by popular people who believe in TWAW etc
Threatened with a telling off, explanation of biology and maybe some ribbons.
Mummyoflittledragon · 14/07/2021 19:57

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

Do "GC"s never, ever wonder whether they might be the baddies? Or even uncomfortably close to them?
What are gender criticals?

I think you mean women. Predominantly women. The adult human female kind.

StellaAndCrow · 14/07/2021 20:18

@StrawberrySquirrelThief

They’ve posted this on Instagram. Which says their staff have experienced threats of violence which is in no way acceptable. However they were complicit in Milli Hill being on the receiving end of similar abuse (this in no way makes it acceptable).
"Being exposed to harmful behaviour". That reminds me of things I've seen - especially children being exposed to sexual behaviour. For example, explicit drag shows in libraries, children being encouraged to pet and stroke adult men in leather studded collars). I really don't think it was "GCs" doing these things.
littlbrowndog · 14/07/2021 20:22

Tofu eaters supporting each other with their tales of marinades 😒😒

What next

Plant based something or other 😧😉

littlbrowndog · 14/07/2021 20:24

The pumpkin person just drops a wee word then runs off

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Useless

TheSlayer · 14/07/2021 20:28

I make a mean spiced pumpkin sauce that goes great with tofu.
Very pumpkinphobic but delicious.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 14/07/2021 20:41

And a bottle of red wine goes super with tofu. Hic 🍷 🍷 🍷

Datun · 14/07/2021 20:45

PumpkinSpiceWoman

Do you have any idea how often this happens? Fictitious razorblades under stickers, assaults, threatening violence, etc, all apparently committed by women who understand that human can't change sex

It's a load of old desperate crap, and you know it.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 14/07/2021 20:49

I hear some have nuclear bombs under them...