The Girl Guides one is a classic, that is revisited often. It's a classic fear campaign approach - target children and safeguarding. Trans kids are so concerned about fitting in, and just being kids. The leaders who take kids on camps know all about and are trained in safe guarding. Zero incidents cited. I mean, the thread itself was around someone's daughter thinking there may be a boy in their group. Again - just another fear campaign.
Your long time ago guiding experiences mean absolutely nothing, and unless you are in the movement as a leader, you have no right to comment on the situation leaders are facing.
One more time for the hard of thinking.
Guide leaders - like me - are not allowed to implement normal safeguarding rules while GGUK persist in the fiction that the organisation is single sex. There can be no normal safeguarding segregation between the sexes, when we are meant to operate on the basis that there is only one sex present. There can be no informed consent - asking parents and natal female guides who their daughter/they are comfortable sharing with - when we are not allowed to reveal to anyone that a person of the opposite biological sex is present. We cannot ourselves exercise our judgment in policing sleeping arrangements, so that a trans girl is separated from natal girls, as we are not allowed to treat them differently from a natal girl. We cannot on our own initiative decide that the trans girl is to shower etc separately
because we cannot treat them differently from natal girls.
We are left with a situation where we have to hope that natal girls and their parents use their senses/observations of the other children in the unit to assess the situation at hand, and when we ask them who their child is willing to share a tent with, they can tell us whether or not they want to be in with "Girl X". We can do absolutely nothing about washing facilities, however.
And at some point, "Girl X" might have nobody wanting to share with them, because girls and their parents have worked it out. What then? I mean, I am going to have to pop them in a tent with someone, aren't I? How's that going to work out? "I'm not comfortable sharing with "Girl X"" will only get you the possibility you don't have to share with them, not the certainty, we are supposed to be Sisters To All Guides after all. So at some point, even this informal method of informed consent goes out the window.
I'm so sick of the lies being propagated about this, not to mention being worried sick about it. I did not become a Guide leader to have to play Russian roulette about whether I am putting a girl in danger of a sexual assault.