Right which one of you left the keys in the internet?

[Gumbomambo]

Who ever did it needs a long hard look in the mirror and to put the bottle down. Crikey I have never seen so many new user names with the same old stick to bring to the woman beating party. Tin hats on ladies.

Half of me thinks 'I really do not want to read Mumsnet any longer, it has been taken over'. Then I think 'That is exactly what they want'.

As with all Feminist spaces since the beginning of time, it has to be closed down, they have to shut the women up. So now the Feminist boards is just for anyone to spout their shit. And GC is just goady. As someone much more intelligent than me said 'there is no need to say gender critical feminist, feminists by their very definition are gender critical'. The split boards have been a fail for me, I just cannot engage the way I used to.

NonnyMouse1337

Aren't schools off at the moment? Well they are in Scotland anyway. I suspect there's a correlation between an increase in annoying posters on these boards and school / university holidays.

Yes, Nonny. Every year/half-term. They always get their arses handed to them.

There is the North American contingent also. Tedious swaggering feckers'. They get their arses handed to them, with a dollop of "grow the fuck up you kidults".

There are the late night drunk want-an-argy-bargy-with-women UKers. They'd be chicken shit to say what they type on here to the average man/woman down the High Street. They have their arses handed to them. In colloquial terms.

@MishyJDI

The trouble with the old way, was that feminism topics about day to day patriachial issues and striving for advancement, were getting buried by the number of threads focused on fear of trans people.

So quality threads around womens advancement were just sidelined by obsessions over the possibility a transwoman could be in a toilet.

I think the new direction is quite helpful, as it splits the two and gives core womens advancement concerns its own space away from the constant anti trans stuff.

The Girl Guides one is a classic, that is revisited often. It's a classic fear campaign approach - target children and safeguarding. Trans kids are so concerned about fitting in, and just being kids. The leaders who take kids on camps know all about and are trained in safe guarding. Zero incidents cited. I mean, the thread itself was around someone's daughter thinking there may be a boy in their group. Again - just another fear campaign.

Girl guides is a fab organisation, and one I loved going through while growing up. I learnt so much, about empowerment of girls and women, and relying on one's self. I fully support that they continue this mission today in an inclusive environment.

And good on to mums net for silo-ing off the trans stuff from other womens rights issues to give them some breathing space and support.

No. As you have been told ad fucking nauseum

Not fear
Not trans people

Quality threads? Meaning those that didn't mention the dismantling of women's right via redefining common words in law?

Toilets? Only ever introduced by posters wishing to trivialise the issue - prisons, health, sport, etc etc

Classic fear campaign? And you focus on the safety of trans kids and ignore the safety of all others. Again, trying to side step safeguarding by labelling those kids, girls, who are made to feel uncomfortable as transphobes.

You may not want to think through the legalities if the TRA lobbying.

You may not want to see past 'be nice' - as long as it is women and girls being nice and accommodating, no matter how uncomfortable they feel.

But many of us disagree. Though your description of this as being 'siloed off' is telling.

I thought the WiSpa and Hubbard stuff would really rattle some cages. People who didn’t have a clue about this are suddenly seeing the consequences and are saying no. I don’t see a massive upswing in the good feminism board though, just really aggressive posters over here. Babcoc is right they do the job for us, I’ve never seen them convince anyone of their nonsense either but i know that they have shown some of us the Alps. Anyway last one to bed tonight, get the cat in, turn the lights off and LOCK the door.

@Sonarl

The siloing isn't working though is it? I see lots of trans related threads in the other one, and non trans threads in this one. Not to mention ones where it comes up but they started on the other one. Shows what a massive issue it is for women I suppose. Must be a right PITA to administer though, constantly moving threads back and forth.

For example on the Wayne Couzens threads on the other board people are, quite rightly, making the link between men who enjoy indecent exposure and flashing their genitals in public and escalation to kidnap, rape and murder as happened in that case. They are also pointing out how dangerous the wispa narrative of "just avert your eyes" in that context is. Someone just looked the other way in 2015 when that POS was reported for indecent exposure. Sarah Everard might not have been exposed to him if that hadn't have been the case. If it happens again, what's to stop the man concerned saying its free expression of his "lady dick"?

But anyway, why are the Wayne Couzens threads that mention this now still there and not here? Could it be that you can't segregate feminism and women's issues into abusive/toxic men and abusive/tixicmen who call themselves women?

*quality threads around womens advancement were just sidelined by obsessions over the possibility a transwoman could be in a toilet.

I think the new direction is quite helpful, as it splits the two and gives core womens advancement concerns its own space away from the constant anti trans stuff.*

I've not seen anything particularly advancing core women's rights on the new Feminist chat board. I do still pop by to see what is being discussed but most of it seems it should be on the Sex and gender board.
Sarah Everard - she was kidnapped, raped and murdered for being female, not identifying as a woman.
Late term abortions - only affects females so this is about sex.

I'm still a little confused what the criteria is for the split?

I'm tolerant to other people's views but if they come on her with no evidence we know they are just a troll and I think it actually helps our cause! You amazing women are so good at engaging with these unsubstantiated views.

” the number of threads focused on fear of trans people”
I think this trivialises and demonises women raising serious and reasonable questions about women’s sex-based rights if men can potentially self-identify as women.

@BaronMunchausen

” the number of threads focused on fear of trans people” I think this trivialises and demonises women raising serious and reasonable questions about women’s sex-based rights if men can potentially self-identify as women.

Well of course it does. It's intended to.

I think this goes to show that siphoning this topic off like it's some side show is counter productive. We're out of the way, in the naughty corner so we don't offend the perpetually offended, and still it's still not good enough for some.

Fish in a barrel really, now they can just find us easier. And yes to whoever said about school holidays.

I know it's best not responding to some of the more goady ones, but sometimes I think that for people who are on the fence or unsure of their position they might still get some benefit out of hearing some sense and rationality (hopeful).

@Mibbiesaye

As a lurker, it has been very eye-opening. I have yet to see an actual argument or discussion from any of them. It is very noticeable that they are unwilling or unable to engage with the content and instead only post a derail or insult.

This.

Many women don't talk on here for the sake of their health. We do it to raise the issues for people who don't already know about them.

And there is absolutely no better way of raising the issue than letting a TRA talk about why it's not an issue.

And you're a bigot/Nazi/transphobe/right wing extremist if you disagree.

And yes, The Hubbard, and Spa problems are hitting all the mainstream media. And therefore, the discussion must be shut down.

Fortunately, it just ends up amplifying it.

Which is how it gets into the paper in the first place! But they never learn. Telling women to shut up is far more important, than them actually shutting up.

@BaronMunchausen

” the number of threads focused on fear of trans people” I think this trivialises and demonises women raising serious and reasonable questions about women’s sex-based rights if men can potentially self-identify as women.

I think you'll find that particular poster specialises in demonising and trivialising.

The leaders who take kids on camps know all about and are trained in safe guarding

Yup, and that’s why I’m stepping back of leadership roles, as have several other leaders I know. I’m still involved as an assistant, and if we get any males in out unit I’m quitting entirely.

Not out of hate. Not out of fear, but because I absolutely cannot guarantee to safeguard the females in the unit.

There’s posters pop up here telling us “in the real world...” and the gist is MN posters are out of date, bigoted, in accepting etc

Yet we are seeing the responses to the Wi Spa news and transwomen competing in Olympic sports which actually mirror what the majority of posters already knew.

Because we ALL live and work and raise our kids in the real world, which is a very different place to Twitter.

The vast majority of people in the UK (and on these boards) want trans people to be treated with dignity, to not be discriminated against in the workplace, to not face abuse and harassment in the street.

What happens when it becomes clear that TRAs are pushing for any male to be able to access areas where women and children and naked, to have the right to be locked up with vulnerable women, to compete against smaller athletes whilst making very little changes to their male bodies is that the “real world” says “hang on! That’s not right!” and this is unacceptable to our TRA friends who rely on their twitter bubble to feel self righteous.

Well it’s all occurring now, just as TRAs have bullied, argued, lobbied for and demanded. And instead of saying “this is ok, there’s nothing wrong with this!” they are finally clocking it’s not as popular as they want to believe. They are now simply going for the classic tactic of accusing women of lying and accusing women of inciting male violence.

How many incidents won’t have happened before you realise you’ve cocked up? (Pun intended).

Prick News man claiming all criticism of his Times piece must be down to MN might be a driver?

He's stupid.

Most people from countryside to city would agree.

He is very stupid, but stupid people never know they’re stupid, do they…

He's not the cultural icon he thinks he is.

Or other people lead him to believe.

LGB Alliance are that way >>>>>

Lesbian and Gay News are that way also >>>>>>>

No one needs Pink News anymore.

What a giant man baby that idiot is? Thanks giantkitten that’s made me laugh.I'm off to Twitter to laugh at him on there too!

@BaronMunchausen

” the number of threads focused on fear of trans people” I think this trivialises and demonises women raising serious and reasonable questions about women’s sex-based rights if men can potentially self-identify as women.

Yes, if only we would allow ourselves to be educated so that we no longer fear trans people —and then permit them to remove all our protected rights and steal our language—...

Strikethrough fail. What did I do wrong?

It's either side. But sometimes other punctuation, or paragraph breaks get in the way.

@Shedbuilder

Strikethrough fail. What did I do wrong?

The dash you used — is a single long one, you need to use 2 small ones -- either side of the sentence.

I think this goes to show that siphoning this topic off like it's some side show is counter productive. We're out of the way, in the naughty corner so we don't offend the perpetually offended, and still it's still not good enough for some

Yes and isn't it funny how all those super sensitive souls, who couldn't bear seeing us discuss sex based rights, seem to find themselves on this board so often?

You would think they would simply block the sex/gender topic eh? Isn't that exactly the excuse they gave to want us separated?🤔

The plan always seemed to be to push us into the naughty corner, wait until we are demonized further, then delete the board with flimsy excuses with us then being unable to post anything relating to gender/sex in chat.

A thread I was on the other day was deleted with the message that too many posts broke the rules.
The regular posters are so used to the forced speech and coercive control now that most post within the absurd rules anyway. It's very obvious who turn up to cause trouble yet are never sanctioned.

One rule for one.....

They do get their asses handed to them right royaly tho. Its very instructive to see.