It's almost fascinating. The idea that certain cohort wanted something so badly, that they just thought people would fall in line. They only had recourse to spurious arguments like suicide statistics, and oppressed minority nonsense, followed swiftly by well I'm not talking about it then, no debate.
And that's twice now that Ben has been expected to come up with something concrete and he can't.
Surely he must wonder why no one is persuaded by his argument. Or lack of one.