Emma Corrin (the young Princess Di) and breast binders

[Justme56]

"Emma Corrin is embracing a “new” and “intimate” journey as she reveals she has bought her first binder"

Article in the independent (sorry behind a paywall) about Emma who played the young Princess Di in 'The Crown'. Emma is also discussing this on her Instagram page (650k followers) highlighting where she buys hers from (gc:2b).

Thanks for that share Igneococcus.

It seemed an article that wasn’t quite convinced about the phenomenon, the author wanted to be inclusive, but can see there is something not healthy about it. And that she is putting it down to a generational thing and that the older generation who disagree might just be ‘unexposed’ haters but she isn’t quite convinced her self.

Of course, the ‘older’ generation opposing this could well be the parents and carers of the teenaged girls being sucked into this and either seeing the damage or can very well understand the mental health issues involved already without the physical damage this causes.

All minimised by people who think ‘live and let live’ means allowing other people’s daughters to self harm if it makes them feel better. We have seen it on these recent threads.

Sadly, all this article did was continue to glamorize the practice, just not quite as lavishly praising the decision as others have. Despite the author seemingly wanting to.

I'm totally puzzled by the three photos she released. Emma has a small bust, yet one of the photos taken from above seems to aim to emphasise her cleavage in a traditional way, rather than minimise it. This seems to go against the whole ethos of breast binding.

Really good point

@WinterIsGone

I'm totally puzzled by the three photos she released. Emma has a small bust, yet one of the photos taken from above seems to aim to emphasise her cleavage in a traditional way, rather than minimise it. This seems to go against the whole ethos of breast binding.

There are some actors who quietly get on with the business of acting and others who are look at me, look at me attention-seekers, and she comes across as the latter. I wondered why she was dressed up in a Grayson Perry-style frock on one of her first TV appearances, Graham Norton. At the time I thought, poor sod, is that what the stylist gave her? And she just so happens to have a play opening this weekend: I can't imagine embarking on a lung-compressing 'journey' is good for any actor's voice projection, but the announcement may increase teenage ticket sales and make younger reviewers inclined to add an extra star for being, as she describes herself, 'very cool'.

[quote Igneococcus]Times comment today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ee55d0ca-df49-11eb-bac0-9597568b601f?shareToken=5891697d74b13e00cba63b95d53995a9[/quote]
That's a very weak article.
Not because I disagree, it's just wishy-washy.

Reads like something written at 3am for a deadline. Filler.

good grief, I just looked at the instagram page and the sycophantic fawning in the comments makes me want to vomit.

As does the page itself, tbf. I just want to scream: for fuck's sake, stop this narcissistic wankery and actually do something meaningful and valuable!

Yes this is all over the place! version of a glamour photo shoot to show us her boobs. While pretending she’s wearing a binder which looks really loose and revealing and nothing like an actual binder, promoting their use without indicating any of the downsides and dangers, and getting a load of kudos for leaping on the trans bandwagon. Even TRAs should be annoyed!

@PearlNextDoor

Well, the comments are all versions of oh for God's sake.

It's weird, in the pictures, she is posing in a very 'fragile' ballerina feminine kind of way. There's no incongruity in her ''gender'' in the photos she posed for to accompany the article. What the hell is the point so?

And here's the other thing - the girls and young women I know of who are wearing binders do not celebrate their breasts in this way. That first, bare-breasted, photo is not what a dysphoric girl or woman would want to have out in the world, because it emphasises her breasts in a pose stereotypical for female celebs/actors/models (glamour shot style) which invites the audience to admire her naked body.

And that's precisely what a female person with dysphoria does not do.

Which leads me to assume that EC is glamourising breast binding because it seems hip and cool to her while just being edgy enough to garner attention and kudos with progressive youngsters.

Glamourising what is more correctly considered a self-harming practice without understanding where it comes from, why it is done and what damage it does to most of the women and girls who do it.

A demonstration of profound ignorance. Definitely not something to be proud of.

She/they was fantastic in the Crown. What a shame she/they is a pillock.

[quote Igneococcus]Times comment today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ee55d0ca-df49-11eb-bac0-9597568b601f?shareToken=5891697d74b13e00cba63b95d53995a9[/quote]
. As to the pronouns? I’m a straight, white, cisgender woman and people’s assumptions of my sexuality, race and gender are always right. I have never been misgendered to my face, though people often assume from my name that I’m male when talking to me over email (they’re usually more respectful when they do so).

Yet she then says

. in five years’ time, I imagine they’ll be in our email signatures too. I also wonder whether if more people shared them, it might make it less daunting for others to change theirs too.

Why does this journalist not understand why this might be a problem for women. She, herself has experienced the difference when people assume she is male (her name is Charlie). She is treated with more respect as a male than as a female.

I honestly don't know how some people manage to not leave the house with their underpants on their heads such is their inability to think clearly...

I have considered adding pronouns to my Instagram “bio” (there’s a box specifically for that purpose) simply because I believe that’s the future: in five years’ time, I imagine they’ll be in our email signatures too. I also wonder whether if more people shared them, it might make it less daunting for others to change theirs too.

This para alone shows that this writer is way, way behind the curve and hasn't even researched this in the slightest. She's writing this as if it's a new original thought - when it's been pushed for this reason for years, is common in email signatures and has also been pushed back against with mucho debate and explanation. No awareness whatsoever of the recent successful legal challenges and why they were necessary.

Five years is when I believe and hope we'll look back on all this and wonder WTF happened and how so many harmful practices somehow became mainstream. Future my arse.

It's curious that The Times' own Twitter account has decided to publish almost all of this article - which I presume would be otherwise paywalled and inaccessible to a teenage audience - in a long series of tweets. They've even helpfully included the name of the breast-binder merchant.

They've even helpfully included the name of the breast-binder merchant
Yes, I wonder whether Emma received any payment from that company. She's not actually wearing their merchandise though, is she? It's not a real binder, more an arty idealised version.

I guess the Twitter feed is run by youngsters? And it got lots of comments, plus great for the journalist who wrote it. Win-win

Why does this journalist not understand why this might be a problem for women. She, herself has experienced the difference when people assume she is male (her name is Charlie). She is treated with more respect as a male than as a female.

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It's also worth noting that, while the actress has said she's 'she/they', the coverage is mainly going with 'they, their', not 'she, her'. It's almost like they're misogynists pushing an agenda or something.

I answer to 'she' or 'they' though. What woman doesn't?

I’m not sure what it’s even meant to mean if you are “she/they” - just that you want to claim the special status of being trans but with absolute minimum hassle or commitment? Does it mean anyone who wants can just carry on regarding you as a she?

Butchy

I always say "who's she? The cat's mother?" I have a name!

But....moobs?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/chest-binding-dangerous/

Apparently -
”Most medical professionals state that the psychological benefits of binding outweigh the risks, which may include chest or back pain, overheating, rashes and shortness of breath.”

This makes me so angry.

Have all the sensible adults on these newspapers gone on holiday or something?

Janice Turner in the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/11d5ed64-e0da-11eb-bac0-9597568b601f?shareToken=82471d47702050c8fe025068a98d92e8

@TheHandmadeTails

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/chest-binding-dangerous/

Apparently -
”Most medical professionals state that the psychological benefits of binding outweigh the risks, which may include chest or back pain, overheating, rashes and shortness of breath.”

FFS 🤬