Blimey Miss Nevada

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Beauty pageants are not my thing, as with most feminist, and would be a whole different and interesting discussion. But really .....?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/wins-miss-nevada-kataluna-enriquez-transgender/10844187/

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Nah, can't give a stuff who wins beauty pageants, which are all about outer appearance -- and that is a very beautiful person.

I don’t care to be honest. I few strongly about prisons, hospitals, sport, shelters etc and also about female representation.

A beauty contest… They can have it.

Good for them. They're totally welcome to the beauty pageant stuff. In my view. I honestly can't believe how they are still a thing in this day and age.

I imagine a few mums will be very cross, especially those who've coached their girls for years. Maybe we've missed something, maybe a lot of men fancy transwomen but don't like to say????

Also don't care.

Beauty pageants and the type of modelling where the brand doesn't actually want anyone with hips and tits to buy the stuff is probably better suited to transwomen anyway. I'd far rather catwalks were populated by males in their 20s than by vulnerable teenage females. Male humans often have fantastic legs and usually find it easier to maintain the low percentage of body fat required for this stuff (females having a subcutaneous fat layer incase of pregnancy I think).

I can remember when Miss World contestants weren’t even supposed to have boyfriends let alone...

Surely at this point these are cosmetic surgery competitions. So shouldn't it be the surgeon winning the prizes.

Fine by me. But I agree it is in danger of becoming a 'who has the best plastic surgeon' competition.

I’m not keen on beauty pageants, but I still don’t like a female being cheated out of the scholarships, prize money, opportunities, travel and career exposure that winning such a title means in order for the state pageant to signal just how virtous they are.

It’s just like Jenner winning Woman of the Year.

I don't care about the competition.

I care about any associated scholarships and sponsorships that aren't going to women.

I care about the centring of the winner as a female role model and ambassador for girls and young women.

I care about how far away we are going from the window of what is acceptable in the female form and expectations around cellulite, body composition etc.

I care if a place is taken away from a woman where the value of it might mean something to a woman. There's also something a bit off about having extensive surgery and winning a beauty competition because of it. As a pp said, best plastic surgeon.

Also not a pageant fan and I care an awful lot less about this than prisons etc, but, for the people who do care, it’s still a blow. It’s still a woman missing out on a modelling contract, or modelling experience, or whatever reason it is women enter these competitions.

Yep, if there's one thing transwomen are more than welcome to, it's beauty pageants. Have at it!

Oh. X posted with about a million people. 😀

@NoNever

I’m not keen on beauty pageants, but I still don’t like a female being cheated out of the scholarships, prize money, opportunities, travel and career exposure that winning such a title means in order for the state pageant to signal just how virtous they are.

It’s just like Jenner winning Woman of the Year.

This! Exactly this! Some women come from backgrounds where they can only aspire to get out their situation through their beauty.

I'm not saying it's right, the same for some men and boxing. As I said in my OP, that is a whole other thread.

However, whatever your opinions this is an opportunity for a woman that has now been lost to them.

Just because it doesn't affect me, doesn't mean it's fair for the woman who would have won. Personally, I don't like the whole idea of these pageants, but I can still empathise with her, as I feel she has been unfairly robbed of the title.

I feel the same with stuff like this as about sports - I saw an article about a young girl who had lost out on a scholarship (for running I think) as two trans teenagers had beat her in the competitions. One of them was asked what would they do in the girls position, wouldn’t they feel cheated? They said ‘no I would just work harder and run faster.’

The year before, this trans teen (male identified at that time) came bottom of the table in the male competitions. Working harder and running faster didn’t seem to work then.

I don’t care about running, I don’t care about beauty paegants, but others do, and they deserve not to have them intruded on.

Can’t stand beauty pageants and the objectification of women, if trans identified men want this stuff they’re welcome to it, they’re the ones who seem to love the sexist stereotypes. But, they should have trans versions, if some women still want this they should be reserved for women.

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

I don't care about the competition.

I care about any associated scholarships and sponsorships that aren't going to women.

I care about the centring of the winner as a female role model and ambassador for girls and young women.

I care about how far away we are going from the window of what is acceptable in the female form and expectations around cellulite, body composition etc.

Oh man, this too! Holding up a male as the example as the “best and prettiest a woman can be” for little girls is flat out evil.

Hmm, I was going to come on to say that they can have that one. If a trans woman wants to perform femininity to that degree, they're welcome to it.
However, as others have said, it does mean that women are losing out on the potential winnings so it's a little more complex.
That said, I'm still not sure about that. Beauty pageants aren't the same as sports. I don't think that a very few women getting opportunities out of it outweighs the negative effects of national events that focus almost solely on judging women based on patriarchal beauty standards of feminity.
I don't think limiting it to natal women really benefits anyone. Far better to make it clear that the trappings of femininity aren't what it is to be female.
On balance I'm not bothered by a trans woman competing, although I'd ultimately prefer for beauty pageants to be seen as the outdated and sexist nonsense they are and go the way of the dinosaur.

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

I don't care about the competition.

I care about any associated scholarships and sponsorships that aren't going to women.

I care about the centring of the winner as a female role model and ambassador for girls and young women.

I care about how far away we are going from the window of what is acceptable in the female form and expectations around cellulite, body composition etc.

Excellent post

Like others, I am not a fan of the beauty pageant stuff. And it makes me highly uncomfortable when parents push their daughters to do these things. Especially when they are actual toddlers.

But at the end of the day, this is just another man taking something from a woman. So yes, it does bother me. How disheartening for these women.

And for others to say they don't care about it, let the transwomen have it, what about the women that DO care about it? Rightly or wrongly, some women and girls dream of being crowned Miss USA or whatever. Are they wrong for having those dreams? I don't think so.

@NoNever

I’m not keen on beauty pageants, but I still don’t like a female being cheated out of the scholarships, prize money, opportunities, travel and career exposure that winning such a title means in order for the state pageant to signal just how virtous they are.

It’s just like Jenner winning Woman of the Year.

Agreed

Also I note the contestants are expected to share a room with another contestant. I wonder if this was the case here and if so how the other contestant felt about having to share a room with a male that was a stranger to her?