Blimey Miss Nevada

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Beauty pageants are not my thing, as with most feminist, and would be a whole different and interesting discussion. But really .....?

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The thing is I dont really agree with beauty contests for women. Society needs to judge womens looks less not more.
So if men want to go for it than that is up to them, but I think they are bad for women

It's not really the point is it. I don't really like them. But I wouldn't tell other women that they should stop doing them because I don't like them. And where do we draw the line if that's the case? Let men into women's sport as I don't play or watch myself? Let men into the changing rooms of the gym as I don't have a gym membership so it doesn't matter? Let men into women's prisons as the majority of us won't end up there? . There needs to be a hard line drawn where men cannot infiltrate any of these things. They all matter.

Its not just a case of not liking them tho. I think they are actiely bad for women.

that should be actively (my v is not working )

Im happy for men to subject themselfs to being judged on pointless unatainable imagery, and suffer all the insecurities and dehuminasation that go with it, as a sex class I genuinely think they will benifit from that.

I agree the biggest win is for the plastic surgeons.

As lame as I think beauty contests are, I agree with a PP it's the male entitlement that really bothers me...that men can invade whatever they want and the women they step on should be accommodating and pleasant about it, and applaud the men who invade them.

Is it true there are beauty contest rules you can't be married or a mother or divorced?

I dont think they should allow plastic surgery tbh. But also agree that they should be for women only

If the various beauty contests insist on rules such as "No mothers, No wives, No divorced then surely they can equally insist on No males.

Otherwise all other rules look batshit silly obviously

Why was my message deleted?? He is MALE fact!

Would love to see a version of men in Toddlers and tiaras 😄

@Coyoacan

Sorry, I'm old school and hate beauty pageants in themselves and even worse now that it is all about plastic surgery.

I live in Mexico and the poor cannot get ahead through beauty contests as you have to be 1:70 m tall at least and 90% of Mexican women are considerably shorter than that.

That's odd, I've never heard of height limits for beauty pageants. I'm pretty sure the average height of women in the USA is 5'4"/1:60ish. A 1:70 height limit would eliminate most women from Asian backgrounds as well as most white women. Beauty pageants aren't catwalk modelling, so I don't understand the point of height restrictions.

To be fair (in the loosest possible sense of the word), the prevalence of plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures like fillers, together with hair extensions, false eyelashes and nails and all the other shite beloved of natal females in the public eye, and copied by the wannabe, gullible hoi polloi , leaves a situation where nobody who is a"natural" beauty will get anywhere in these competitions or any other mainstream industry where "image" is being sold. I could not say whether the vast majority of influencers, rap stars, reality stars etc are male or female on first glance - they are just homogenous plastic people. The best thing women can do is to not buy into this shite. And I have no doubt the plastic barbie doll look is contributing to all these girls rejecting womanhood and becoming "neutral".

There’s another reason I don’t like this and that is that it distorts what a woman looks like.
I hate to think that there are teenage girls looking at this and trying to emulate yet another unachievable body type.

This is about ideas of feminine beauty bodies etc.

So from one POV ok fine.

BUT

And it's a big one.

Men in general have always been anything you can do I can do better.

What are these pageants for?

To judge women on their looks bodies sex bottom line- sex appeal to men.

To have a male person win is a real kick in the teeth to the other competitors isn't it.

Also interesting.

This is about women who appeal / most to prevailing stages standards of female beauty. At the heart is the male gaze. Who is most appealing to fuck.

Most men who are straight would not consider a transwoman as a sexual partner.

So that's a massive disconnect isn't it.

It feeds into my very strong suspicion that loads of men really do spot woman. Esp attractive woman. As hair boobs clothes etc.

On here over and over we get told that boobs makeup hair skirt means that proof people will read you as female.

Which is bizarre to most women.

But I think given that we're not seen as whole people by so many men, not really. But as 2d 'types'. That is really what is seen at true.

To have a male person win is a real kick in the teeth to the other competitors isn't it.
I would think so but I'm sure many competitors have teeth whitened, straightened, Botox, fillers, lips plumped, butt enhanced , boobs lifted etc etc - what's the point except for someone to get fast tracked to modelling or acting. I'd love to see a before trans pic, or before enhancement pic of the contestants.

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

I don't care about the competition.

I care about any associated scholarships and sponsorships that aren't going to women.

I care about the centring of the winner as a female role model and ambassador for girls and young women.

I care about how far away we are going from the window of what is acceptable in the female form and expectations around cellulite, body composition etc.

Yep

It's a dangerous precedent in terms of the "beauty standard"

@ZaraCarmichaelshighheels

Really disappointing to read on here that people don’t care as it’s a beauty contest, a woman has still lost a title to a trans women, just because it doesn’t matter to you it matters to the women who have lost out, if it had been a sports title the same people saying they don’t care would have been all over it, you can’t pick and choose, either trans women taking a woman’s place is wrong or not, just because the subject matter doesn’t fit your standards does not mean it is ok, awful attitude.

To be fair, in sports males have an advantage, in all likelihood in a beauty pageant they have a disadvantage.

What I wonder about though is there are 1% transgender people in the population, that means they should win 1 out of 100 (with the caveat that transwomen potentially disproportionately are interested in such pageants). Somehow I doubt that Nevada will take another 100 years for another transwoman to win, so yes, I do think women will be pushed out disproportionately.

I'm not happy with beauty standards being created for women that women can't attain.

Most women can't have such a low body fat percentage without being basically anorexic. It's not good, and I feel the same way about modeling. There's a push to stop using photo-shopped, heavily surgically altered women. But they could just get a 6-foot man with no body fat and boom, it's progressive.

Someone once told me that pictures and ads for tights used men's legs as they are longer and their thighs tend to be slimmer.

I have no idea if this is true!

I'm also no fan of beauty contests.

But the point of them is to pick the woman who is most appealing to essentially heterosexual men.

To pick a male person who has had loads of surgery is crap.

As PP said, their body is not female and so to say this is what is best is a piss take.

It's a kick in the teeth bigtime for the other women. Whatever my views. The women in a beauty contest beaten by a transwoman must be enraging/ gutting. They can never look that way. And they shouldn't want to.

The idea that the pinnacle of female beauty is not female is... Nonsensical. Tbh.

I agree that's it's massively unfair, as It pushes out a female competitor who would have won the prizes on offer. Even if I don't like beauty pagents as a concept, I can see the unfairness.

The only good thing to come out of stuff like this, is that straight men will not be ok with transwomen is these roles. Straight men will not pander to this in the way that women are expected to, and like it or not they are the market that are catered to the most. It might wake them up to the fact that women as a whole are being infiltrated.

To be fair, in sports males have an advantage, in all likelihood in a beauty pageant they have a disadvantage.

I doubt that is true. There are quite a few issues around what constitutes an ideal feminine beauty, exacerbated by the availability of surgery and photoshop. However the standard seems to be rake thin and tall, probably over 5'8", masculine features not necessarily being a problem.

Secondhand, but I know someone who knows a leading international fertility expert, who attracts high profile patients from across the world. Apparently it is far from unknown for it to be discovered that the underlying cause of infertility amongst successful models is DSD. Essentially, and like some very successful 100m runners, they have XY chromosomes but female looking genitals. The career requires models to watch their weight closely, so the fact that they don't menstruate is not picked up until retirement and wanting to start a family. Which is sad on an individual level, but perhaps illustrative of how unreachable expectations of beauty can be.

The cynic in me wonders whether there are links. Model, athlete, "businesswomen of the Year", beauty queen, politician. All potentially female role models, yet all roles that some seem to think can be performed better by men.

That is quite shocking!

Blimey, on the one hand, im not too bothered but wait, a single mother is usually disqualified from entering these competitions.