Sainsbury's and gender neutral toilets

[McDuffy]

So, Ocado's knee jerk reaction to Posie's AHF poster is what brought me over here almost three years ago. I had been a loyal customer for so long that I was on their freebies panel and still ditched them over this (I miss them, great service but my principles on this trumped that).
We switched to Sainsbury's and I've got a delivery pass with them. Just seen (Jean Hatchet on Twitter) that they're introducing "gender neutral" loos and I'm going to leave to make a point. DH does the food shop but is a big ally to women and will agree to switch.

Who's left to use? Tesco and Waitrose are captured too. Are Asda or Morrisons in the cult? I can shop locally to an extent but both of us work full time and have two small kids so need a delivery at the moment.

@mustlovegin

Maybe Sainsbury's and the rest don't understand what they are doing and need someone to explain?

I dont know about sainsburys, but m and s were inundated with complaints about their policy, a baroness even wrote to them, yet still they are mixed sex changing rooms. I can imagine as a teen having to share my changing area with men around as I'm trying on bras. Luckily I'm not a teen and as an adult I can choose where to spend my earned money. Not one penny has gone to m and s since 2019 from my house. And never will now.

I'll split the winnings, Rufus

Your biscuit explanation made me snort, so I'm willing to be magnanimous.

Well worth a quick call to Sainsbury's careline (0800 636262) to raise this issue... Definitely a safeguarding concern

@ifIwerenotanandroid

I'll split the winnings, Rufus

Your biscuit explanation made me snort, so I'm willing to be magnanimous.

Oooo nice

Thank you very much 😀

I'm peeved I was deleted, I know why though, it's because some people just can't handle having the truth exposed.

I keep trying to ask on their Twitter page if it's true and they won't show the question on their Twitter page. Naughty.

That is naughty @ufucoffee I called the Sainsburys 'careline' 0800 636262, they said it's true. I asked about my local store, and it's apparently up to the store managers to decide for each store 'at their discretion'. The more people that call and express their concerns about safeguarding the better. Won't be setting foot in there again.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer @Kendodd i got deleted once for saying "feelz". NITS apparently

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Well…. thats another one to add to my list

I used to work for Sainsbo's, glad I don't anymore. Wankers. I'll be writing a stern letter to them (with lots of colouring in) and see if I get a response. (I'll also go on a sticker adventure next time I go in.)

@HoppingPavlova

I seriously don’t get the angst. A few places around here have done this including shopping centre and cinema and it’s been a really positive change. No more queuing for ladies while there is no queue for the men’s. If there is a queue it’s shorter and moves quicker! They all have cubicles, it’s not like men hanging it out at a urinal as you walk past them and the majority here have handbasin and dryer within the cubicle, so convenient.

I’ve always had unisex toilets at work for decades - usually a single toilet room pretty much like at home just larger and with paper towel in it, not a huge room with many stalls, so maybe I’m well used to it? There was never a problem with it.

If it's self-contained enclosing both the toilet and washbasin with floor-ceiling walls and a proper door then that's fine. Obviously if someone collapses inside then no one will see their feet sticking out and raise the alarm but hey-ho.

Rebadging a conventional room of cubicals with gaps underneath and a communal set of washbasins? Not good. Especially as it is usually just the women's which gets done as the men's has urinals.

@Thecatonthemat

In a petrol station. Key required for women’s toilet but not for men. The male assistant behind the counter said that men couldn’t be trusted not to be dirty and would just do the same to the womens toilet as the6 already do to the main one. I was lavish in my praise of the exceptionally clean one I went in!

That's odd because I was chatting to someone who was a facilities manager at an FE college and he said that the cleaners found that female students made more mess than the males. Tampons stuck to walls, that sort of thing.

In my area there is a trans woman who is very aggressive I have been shopping and they are making a fuss about the queue, aggressive and rude to staff and I do not want this person in the same space where I might be alone with them as I wouldn’t want to be with any other aggressive male

I know some women are aggressive but I don’t fear being in a space alone with them in the same way as I would have a chance against them it’s as simple as that

I had a quick Google and all I found was about staff facilities, so I think that's what they've done unless I've missed something.

Says that staff can use the toilets and changing rooms they feel comfy in.

My assumption would be this is not about changing them all to single toilets with sink etc but usual big room with cubicles in.

The changing, and I don't know, but probably communal? It's for staff so it's not going to be fancy.

If anyone who works there has more info that would be good.

@Kendodd

I'd like to bet the men's toilets aren't going gender neutral.

A seaside town near me rebuild the public toilets. They had been traditional women's one side men's the other, lots of cubicles in each although, as is also traditional, massive queue for the ladies, no queue ever from the men's. Anyway, this was pulled down and replaced with about 14 individual cubicles accessed straight from the street. Six were gender neutral, six men's only (because they contained only urinals) and two disabled. So of the 12 toilets available to non disabled people, all twelve were for men to use and only six for women. Fucking fuming about it.

Great, so not only do women have less actual toilets available , but the ones they do have are the only ones where the men can go and have a lovely crap. Great.

Yerk.

That was. I was going to say well thought out sarcastically.

But. That's just appalling. Really properly awful.

Male designed I'd put money on it.

@NiceGerbil

I had a quick Google and all I found was about staff facilities, so I think that's what they've done unless I've missed something.

Says that staff can use the toilets and changing rooms they feel comfy in.

My assumption would be this is not about changing them all to single toilets with sink etc but usual big room with cubicles in.

The changing, and I don't know, but probably communal? It's for staff so it's not going to be fancy.

If anyone who works there has more info that would be good.

This seems to be in breach of H&S guidelines which say that staff should have access to single sex cubicles or a unisex facility in a separate room.

That's odd because I was chatting to someone who was a facilities manager at an FE college and he said that the cleaners found that female students made more mess than the males. Tampons stuck to walls, that sort of thing.

I used to be manager for a large contract cleaning firm, I've cleaned plenty of supermarket and factory toilets in my time. Both sexes are unfortunately pretty filthy, but no matter how much we cleaned, it was only the men's toilets that stank of piss. Also having to wipe dried (and sometimes not dried) cum off walls was grim.

@Kendodd

I'd like to bet the men's toilets aren't going gender neutral.

A seaside town near me rebuild the public toilets. They had been traditional women's one side men's the other, lots of cubicles in each although, as is also traditional, massive queue for the ladies, no queue ever from the men's. Anyway, this was pulled down and replaced with about 14 individual cubicles accessed straight from the street. Six were gender neutral, six men's only (because they contained only urinals) and two disabled. So of the 12 toilets available to non disabled people, all twelve were for men to use and only six for women. Fucking fuming about it.

Shouldn't there be equal provision? Might be worth a legal challenge.

For anyone interested, the Morrison's app is better than Sainsbury's and has the same one-click function that ocado has (which I miss but not enough )
Onwards!

Hi

f you mean supermarkets that recognise progressive society rather than regressive segregation.

Yippee for the progressive society that excludes many females from having access to any loo so that woke people and male people can celebrate being much much more important.

Why is no one who celebrates this mess ever able to show the faintest awareness of inclusion and equality or basic awareness for anyone other than TQ+ ?

Grrr, zombie thread, sorry.