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NonnyMouse1337 · 26/06/2021 03:52

Bloody hell. AngryAngryAngry

Scottish government

In its annual applications over the past four years, the Scottish government offered up screenshots of elected ministers’ social media activity for Stonewall’s approval, details of every Pride event attended by Nicola Sturgeon and examples of “LGBT champions” silencing dissenting colleagues on internal forums as proof of its commitment to “equality”.

It also said it would consult on changing the law. In one section “worth 10% of your total score” of the 2017 application, it pledged to “consult on reforming gender recognition legislation in line with international best practice for transgender people.”

When asked in the 2018 application form, “has your organisation done any further work in the past year to promote LGBT equality in the wider community?”, the Scottish government responded that it “has consulted on potential reforms to the Gender Recognition Act 2004 to introduce a self declaratory system”.

In an effort to win points, the government also described how it was “consulting on the detail of what should be included in a new hate crime bill”. The legislation, passed this year, created a new offence of “stirring up hatred” on grounds such as transgender identity, but attracted criticism for excluding women as a protected group.
The response won a pat on the back from Stonewall.

“The sponsorship and support Scottish government provides to a diversity of LGBT groups is highly valuable and impactful, and together with the consultations towards reforming gender recognition legislation, Scottish Government has such an influential and powerful role in improving the lives of LGBT people across Scotland,” said the feedback report, rewarding the good work with 18 out of 20 points.

In another application, Stonewall awarded the Scottish government 11 out 17 points in one section “for its “influence on the 2021 census”.

Despite all these commitments to change the legal landscape not only within its own workplace but across the whole country, the Scottish government missed out on a Top 100 ranking by just one place — it came 101st.

“We can do better than this — and we must,” permanent secretary Leslie Evans declared in a blog.

The next year, it burnished its credentials even further — placed 72nd in 2019 Top 100 Employers — but Stonewall said there was still room for improvement.
“Some key areas to focus on before the next submission,” it suggested. “Ensure that any remaining gendered terminology is clarified or removed for your policies (Maternity and Paternity policies have references to ‘Mothers’, ‘Pregnant Women’ and ‘Fathers’).”

It failed to do so. In the 2020 Index, it sank down to 127.

“We have identified the following areas as priorities for the year ahead” came the Feedback. “Removing remaining gendered terms such as ‘mother’ from your maternity policy, and replacing these with gender neutral equivalents. Please refer to Stonewall’s Inclusive Policy Toolkit for further information.”

NonnyMouse1337 · 26/06/2021 04:09

Organisations competing for a spot in its Workplace Equality Index of top 100 employers are required to provide evidence of “visual signals such as email signatures, badges, lanyards and mugs to visibly signal their commitment to LGBT equality”.

The Scottish Government sent photographs of a senior civil servant with the “Allies network lanyards that she proudly wears” and details of every Pride event attended by Nicola Sturgeon.

In its application for the Index, Rhondda Cynon Taf council in south Wales described how senior councillors routinely shared “many important posts from Stonewall” on their official social media accounts and confirmed that “the background colours of the profile pictures for all council social media pages, including leisure centres and library services were changed to rainbow colours” for pride month.

The council added that budget cuts meant “a number of services have been reduced including the library service, nursery provision, street lighting, arts provision and day centres”. It paid Stonewall £4,140 in 2020.

Top spenders on Stonewall in 2020

Scottish Government: £125,202

Ministry of Defence: £11,770

Avon and Somerset: £8,000

Nuclear Decommissioning Authority: £7,500

Environment Agency: £7,024

London North Eastern Railway: £6,900

Network Rail: £6,846

Independent Office for Police Conduct: £6,000

Hampshire Constabulary: £5,690

Torfaen County Borough Council: £5,370

Source: Freedom of Information requests compiled by Sex Matters

NonnyMouse1337 · 26/06/2021 04:28

If you are able to, please sign up as a regular donor to Sex Matters, especially before June runs out.

If you are a new regular donor, you can double your donation: To help us get off to a flying start a generous donor (not her!) has offered to match the annual donation of anyone who pledges in June to donate monthly for a year.

MsTSwift · 26/06/2021 07:36

Enraging they are my police force and utterly hopeless. My parents property seriously damaged by vandals they weren’t slightest bit interested did absolutely nothing. Glad to see where their energies channelled 🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/06/2021 07:44

That's really shocking that they took internal posts of people bullying their colleagues as "evidence".

AfternoonToffee · 26/06/2021 07:54

It is of no surprise then that Scotland is where it is. They haven't just lobbied for workplace changes they have directly influenced legal changes and been paid for it.

So, women of Scotland, sold out for £125000.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 26/06/2021 08:00

That is really shocking. I mean really shocking. How can the Scottish Government be using commitments to legislate to try and dance to the tune of an unelected lobby group?

rogdmum · 26/06/2021 08:00

Is anyone’s share token working for these or have they shut it off? I can’t get mine to work

Whatwouldscullydo · 26/06/2021 08:05

Unfortunately I suspect these articles will merely cause organisations to double down and defend their choices to align with stonewall.

I dont think there is anything they can actually do that will wake the people up that need to be.

I dont even know why anyone even needed to sign up. No one should be bullying anyone in the work place. A lanyard won't change anyones behaviour. It needs actually dealing with. Something I don't know how there's time to do when people are spending hours filling out hundreds of pages of paperwork that consist of explaining how much you are shitting on staff with all the other protected characteristics.

heathspeedwell · 26/06/2021 08:33

Share tokens would be much appreciated if anyone has a way of doing it.

WarOnWoman · 26/06/2021 08:38

@rogdmum

Is anyone’s share token working for these or have they shut it off? I can’t get mine to work

Yeah, mine's not working.

NonnyMouse1337 · 26/06/2021 08:44

Archive links

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WarOnWoman · 26/06/2021 08:45

Unfortunately I suspect these articles will merely cause organisations to double down and defend their choices to align with stonewall.

Maybe. But I think they would be more worried about any legal challenges. (That's what happens when you "get ahead" of the law.) Law Society have changed their policy back to reflecting the actual law. The article says this:

Legal experts have warned organisations that coercing all staff to conform to Stonewall’s rigid stance on sex and gender may leave them at risk of legal challenge.

WeeSisters · 26/06/2021 08:47

Scully I wouldn’t be so sure. Much of the commitment is superficial.

My CEO has implemented every Stonewall ask (removal of the words ‘women’ and ‘mother’ from maternity policies, Transwoman to speak for Women’s Day, rainbow lanyards, mixed-sex toilets, pronouns etc). They have done this as they think Stonewall are the experts on diversity so have outsourced all policies, critical thinking and common sense.

As soon as it appears that Stonewall are out of favour, they’ll be ditched for the next fashionable cause.

AnnaMagnani · 26/06/2021 08:50

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2021.06.26-000334/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-equality-list-bullies-bosses-and-silences-dissent-cz6k7klf5" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">archive.is/2021.06.26-000334/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-equality-list-bullies-bosses-and-silences-dissent-cz6k7klf5

highame · 26/06/2021 08:52

I can't make share token stuff work sorry. Someone will be along with tokens.

I know we've discussed this over and over but it's only when you see it in its full glory that you appreciate how bad this all is.

It's the coercion and the bully tactics that are appalling but also how on earth did the law get captured. That's the one thing that still staggers me and I really do want someone to start looking at that capture. In any democracy, the law should stand squarely in the camp of impartiality this is lawyers, courts, police, prisons etc. This capture of those institutions has show how easy it would be for a totalitarian government to take hold in this country. Had it not been for the bravery and persistence of women, we would be gagged and hated in a ring of silence (sorry, that's a bit over the top, but didn't sleep well last night Grin).

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Whatwouldscullydo · 26/06/2021 08:52

Maybe. But I think they would be more worried about any legal challenges. (That's what happens when you "get ahead" of the law.) Law Society have changed their policy back to reflecting the actual law. The article says this

Annoyingly any case that may have brought at least some of this to light gets dropped before it goes to court.

Didn't OCC amd the cps both back.out of the law suits when 2 teenage girls attempted to sue

FemaleAndLearning · 26/06/2021 08:53

I wonder if there is a correlation between the top one hundred organisations and their misrepresentation of the law?

Tibtom · 26/06/2021 08:57

Shock who is governing Scotland????

Defaultname · 26/06/2021 09:00

"However, The Times can disclose that the charity is using the index to force organisations to lobby on its behalf, rewarding them with higher rankings if they bring their own policies in line with Stonewall’s agenda, and dropping them from the Top 100 if they do not."

So not just self-identification, but self-lobbying!

NonnyMouse1337 · 26/06/2021 09:00

@Tibtom

Shock who is governing Scotland????
Aye that's the fucking question we need answers to. I am furious.
Tibtom · 26/06/2021 09:00

Annoyingly any case that may have brought at least some of this to light gets dropped before it goes to court.

Didn't OCC amd the cps both back.out of the law suits when 2 teenage girls attempted to sue

These were judicial reviews. May be we need discrimination claims (like Maya's) ? For those the detriment will have happened so they can't just back out.

Whatwouldscullydo · 26/06/2021 09:01

I wonder if there is a correlation between the top one hundred organisations and their misrepresentation of the law

Last year I think the MOJ was number 5. And they stick male bodied rapists In womens prisons.

Now they have withdrawn I hope its a good sign for the case that was brought against them.

But it does beh the question if that only gets you 5th place, what do you have to do to get 4 and up

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2021 09:06

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AnnaMagnani · 26/06/2021 09:07

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2021.06.26-000819/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-a-charity-promoting-dogma-at-public-expense-stonewalls-suppressions-dzjlmrldc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">archive.is/2021.06.26-000819/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-a-charity-promoting-dogma-at-public-expense-stonewalls-suppressions-dzjlmrldc