mumsnet have moved one of my threads without permission and effectivelly instructed us how we may or may not discuss things.

[stumbledin]

I started a thread on the newsnight programme from last night about the man eventually convicted of killing two women after years of police failure.

For reason known only to the irrational concepts of mumsnet they have moved it to the "chat" board.

This is on one level just plain daft as there is already a thread on there about this, so there didn't need to be another.

But I specifically chose to have it on this thread as this is more likely to be where women who understand about women's sex based oppression post and I wanted to interact with them.

On one level this is political censorship. They created the division so they will have to live with them.

Hosting a board does NOT entitle you to tell those using the service how to think.

So not only have they falsely labelled this board a debate about something none of us are talking about (gender) they are now, with out having the gumption to even spell it out, taking secret decisions about what is or is not appropriate.

mumsnet seems to have suddenly decided that because the board is popular means that what they think is right think. Whereas what makes it popular are the posters.

This is like those facebook groups where the group admins suddently go power mad and think they because they are the admin they are also the holder of all true thought.

This is like the interns have taken over from the adults.

this is l

I also don't understand. I thought the whole point was we who wanted a sex based analysis of women's oppression had been siphoned off to whichever side street had been nominated.

So why then does the thread get moved even when its been created in the 'safe zone!'

Well, one bonus of the new arrangements... maybe we will no longer get visited by the series of weird condescending faux-experts with delusions of intelligence that used to drop in to FWR, pretend some kind of subject matter expertise relevant or irrelevant to the discussion at hand in order to instruct the women how to think, pigeon chess things up and then eventually disappear again only for a different username to come back with the same behaviour. It will be nice to be shot of that! Those usernames were a right PITA.

I think we're more likely to get pigeons, sealions and other assorted visiting wildlife here now, because we've been sectioned off so they know where to find us.

It feels to me like certain posters are being targeted and having their threads reported and moved back and forth. I was shocked by the hostility in the new feminist chat by posters bemoaning these certain posters. I think the disrupters are using the split as a tactic to derail certain posters and their threads. I enjoy and value the posts and threads from those certain posters but the Twit mob have them marked.
I think the idea about putting woman (adult human female) in thread titles should ensure it stays on sex and gender. I won't get bored of that or find it off putting it gives 100% clarity.

It feels to me like certain posters are being targeted and having their threads reported and moved back and forth.

This absolutely happens. Some posters seem to have more posts deleted than others in an attempt to get them banned. There are a couple of posters at the moment who clearly have their cards marked, it's so depressing that MN allow themselves to be played this way.

Well, I posted a thread in 'Feminism Chat' and got attacked by several posters (new posters, funnily enough, who had little posting history) who said it was 'their board' now and gc posters weren't welcome.

Not very in the spirit, if you ask me.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

And i agree with turquoise and i agree that stumbled did not compare us to children in any way shape or form

Just while I’m here…

Same.

I just wanted to chip in and say that I don’t feel that Stumbledin has referred to me as a child in any way.

I am also really curious about all these emails whistfulwistera, you keep coming back to them?

@ArabellaScott

Well, I posted a thread in 'Feminism Chat' and got attacked by several posters (new posters, funnily enough, who had little posting history) who said it was 'their board' now and gc posters weren't welcome.

Not very in the spirit, if you ask me.

This

I am not interested in spending my precious little time in such a hostile environment and have pretty much given up on “the other place”. Also CBA to check multiple boards.

I think that there is possibly some social engineering going on here. Some people somewhere are concerned that this place is going to be dominant just as feminist chat was previously and the other board will be rarely frequented just like feminist theory, activism and the others ended up being. That is off, let each board stand or fall on its own merits.

It really does seem that certain posters are particularly being targeted.

MNHQ will change titles if they feel like it when they move threads. It just depends to what level of authoritarianism and social control they are willing to go to. So I am not sure there is anything that can be put in titles to keep them here in Feminism: sex versus gender.

Sometimes it feels like this is all done to wear us down and undermine us so that we’ll give up and go away.

Sometimes it feels like this is all done to wear us down and undermine us so that we’ll give up and go away.

Been feeling a bit like that lately but have decided I definitely won’t be giving up nor going away.

#WomenWontWheesht

#WomenWontWjeesht. Just found this via the blue bird site. I don't visit here often but those emailing Aunt Lydia, Elizabeth and EYE types are not going to get rid of clear thinking brave women. We're everywhere and our voices have been heard. Politicians are listening and the grass root groups formed are strong. I believe the fight for Women's Rights has not been as strong in 100 years. We are invincible and our anger and meticulous organisation skills will win this fight. Never lose heart ladies. x

A guid cause maks a strong arm.

Fishdoggy

The schism gives mischief makers a whole new world of entertainment getting threads moved, policing the boards checking what is said where but you are right too and the uplifting encouragement is much appreciated.

Pardon my ignorance but what’s the blue bird site @Fishdoggy?

Thank you for your uplifting post btw.

Twitter my lovely. x

Oh yes, of course! Not doing too well after a sub 4-hour sleep last night.

It's madness to move threads against the wishes of the poster.

I got a post that did not break the rules arbitrarily deleted yesterday.

Did you state reality based facts?

It could have been that.

I wish we had clarity on the criteria for what is allowed where at least. I'm thoroughly confused at the moment.

Coyoacan did you ask them the reason for the deletion and if so did you get a reply?
I reported someone's deleted post a few days ago to ask for the deletion reason as I couldn't understand why it had been deleted.

HQ haven't even bothered to reply to me.

No I didn't particularly ask for reasons as I didn't know how to go about it. I know I did not spread hate or misgender anyone unless referring to Joan of Arc as a woman is now a hate crime.

Whistfulwisteria
And maybe stop with all the posts about everyone else who is just getting on with it...
Many are getting on with it...

You seem very invested in women just 'getting on with it', basically move over, do what you're told, put up and shut up.

Same old sh!t really...

To me it feels like (as someone who uses facebook) that I post a comment on WPUK page because I sort of assume I wll get response to an idea or statement from those with a similar political perspective about women's issues / women's rights and then facebook comes along and say "we think this is better suited as a topic of Fawcett's page so we have moved it".

The title of this page is not agreed on by anyone, and relates to something that doesn't exist. That somehow, we are still debating whether sex or gender if more real. Nobody is.

But as the actual URL ie the web link still says women's rights, this is where I want to post something, because everything about women is women's rights, and women's rights are needed because of sex based oppression

Added to which as an individual I have a right to my own intellectual freedom of expression. What I have written doesn't "belong" to mumsnet. They are hosting it, and I accept can say we dont want to host that. But they cant coopt it to there own ends, ie trying to make the chat section more credible or whatever.

And the "rules" that this thread has doesnot included a list of those topics which are or are not permitted.

Added to which they aren't even consistent. I have started other threads which aren't explicity about women's sex based rights, but about sex discrimination. And they have been left on FWR.

So I am coming round to the suggestion that it only got moved because I was "reported".

I think what is worse is I have had a few (not a deluge!) DMs saying they agree but dont want to say anything. But nice that they took the time to contact me.

So have mumsnet fallen? Are only the right sort of feminists allowed to post or comment?

But thanks for those who have said I have a point, and those who agree with me (phew)!

And of course the dedicated follower whose constant need to school me on correct thought kept bumping this thread up the board.

I think right back at the beginning when this was all first rumoured, but not statement on the board inviting opinions, that wouldn't it just be easier to go back to FWR - as the URL (and google) recognises it to be.

What I have written doesn't "belong" to mumsnet. They are hosting it, and I accept can say we dont want to host that. But they cant coopt it to there own ends, ie trying to make the chat section more credible or whatever.

I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the t&cs suggests that actually, they can. I may be wrong - check what you think and if you find this tolerable.

www.mumsnet.com/info/terms-of-use

For avoidance of doubt, I don't think they should have moved your thread - you'd thought about where to put it, and your rationale makes sense to me. And I really hope you don't find the changes and terms unacceptable.

@ArabellaScott

Well, I posted a thread in 'Feminism Chat' and got attacked by several posters (new posters, funnily enough, who had little posting history) who said it was 'their board' now and gc posters weren't welcome.

Not very in the spirit, if you ask me.

If it's the thread I'm thinking of you weren't "attacked". Posters queried what the point of your thread was as it seemed to have little point beyond some sort of unspecific sneering at any one who isn't "gender critical".