mumsnet have moved one of my threads without permission and effectivelly instructed us how we may or may not discuss things.

[stumbledin]

I started a thread on the newsnight programme from last night about the man eventually convicted of killing two women after years of police failure.

For reason known only to the irrational concepts of mumsnet they have moved it to the "chat" board.

This is on one level just plain daft as there is already a thread on there about this, so there didn't need to be another.

But I specifically chose to have it on this thread as this is more likely to be where women who understand about women's sex based oppression post and I wanted to interact with them.

On one level this is political censorship. They created the division so they will have to live with them.

Hosting a board does NOT entitle you to tell those using the service how to think.

So not only have they falsely labelled this board a debate about something none of us are talking about (gender) they are now, with out having the gumption to even spell it out, taking secret decisions about what is or is not appropriate.

mumsnet seems to have suddenly decided that because the board is popular means that what they think is right think. Whereas what makes it popular are the posters.

This is like those facebook groups where the group admins suddently go power mad and think they because they are the admin they are also the holder of all true thought.

This is like the interns have taken over from the adults.

this is l

Whatever about posts in Feminism chat being moved to Feminism sex and gender (which I think is bollocks, but is obviously going to happen, probably due to reporting, now the board split is active), I disagree completely with moves the other way around.

If anyone posts on this board, it is obvious they want the thread discussion premise to be that women have sex-based rights; moving it to the other board stymies that premise.

Can anyone think of any reason for the move apart from wanting to up the number of posts on the other board (possibly to prove how active it would be if the GC posters didn't quash feminism discussion). For myself, I don't intend to comment on any posts on Feminism: Chat; for me all Feminism discussion should be sex-based, and is therefore only suitable for this board.

I presume I'm not allowed to suggest that posters who don't want do discuss sex and gender "stay on their own board" as has been suggested to gender critical posters?

It seems sauce for goose/gander doesn't apply here.

ffs [sigh]

The usual suspects have found the new place anyway. It is especially easy for them now that any threads mentioning sex/ gender are being coralled there. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

There/ here. It is disconcerting typing a post in one place then realising it has appeared somewhere else.

I think if they think they "own" our postings, then they should pay us and we could enter into a proper contract.

But it is our contributions that make mumsnet sucessful / talked about.

They distort our contributions by moving them.

And quite honestly they are qualified to do it.

And if they think they are I would like to see the CVs and affiliations of those taking these decisions.

Being in an administrative position is just to ensure the product, in this case the mumsnet struture is in working order.

An administrators personal observations should be kept to themselves and certainly not be the basis on which they then editorialise.

Why are people like Whistfulwisteria trying to silence the OP? She has a very valid point and should be allowed to vent, and to give a heads up to other posters. I knew the moderating of this site was so incredibly delete-happy but this is getting ridiculous. The moderators on here have no idea what they are even doing.

This is how many Internet forums work though, isn't it, OP? Moderators make judgements. Reddit nuked many entire boards.

They distort our contributions by moving them.

As a general issue - not specific to the feminist boards - it can be quite confusing to read a thread which has been moved, until you get to the post from MNHQ saying they've done this. (And not everyone RTFT).
A simple way to ameliorate this would be to put 'Moved from in the title, or inserted at the top of the first post. Ideally it would say whether the move was at the OPs behest or MNHQ.

Any threads started in AIBU get moved too. It's the only topic where that happens as far as I can tell.

Can anyone think of any reason for the move apart from wanting to up the number of posts on the other board (possibly to prove how active it would be if the GC posters didn't quash feminism discussion)

Turquoise, well TRAs certainly wanted it. MNHQ can't deny being fully aware if that.

One example. MNHQ Twitter account was engaged in a Twitter exchange with one of them who was whoop whooping "thanks Justine" in response to the board split. I found the exchange of particular interest as MN's Twitter account pointed out that the person thanking Justine is actually a PBP.

I've become ore sanguine about the split (or maybe I just haven't got the energy to argue). However I've assumed up until now that, if someone chooses to post on Sex and Gender on any feminist topic then it's a sign that they're happy for other posters to bring up the issue of sex based rights. Moving it to 'Feminist Chat' without speaking to the op does feel like muzzling the discussion.

For the time being I will choose to believe that it hadn't been thought through properly, but I won't believe that forever.

OPs are going to have to make it clear perhaps that they want the post to stay here.
Maybe write "PS. Woman = adult human female" at the end.

On reflection maybe it would be helpful in the OP to state something like

“I am posting this in sex and gender debate because I want to be able to hear the views of those who believe sex is real and it matters on this topic as well as other points of view”

@EndoplasmicReticulum

Any threads started in AIBU get moved too. It's the only topic where that happens as far as I can tell.

I think threads on coronavirus, or brexit (when there were a lot of them) are generally moved from chat or AIBU to the relevant board.

However, if someone has created an AIBU on any subject with a clear YANBU/YABU question and voting turned on, then it should stay put.

Wasn't going to post about my own thread but as I am hear just to say I contacted mumsnet 25 June saying I disagreed with their decision and had not had a reply by yesterday.

So I used the report function again saying I didn't accept their decision - and have still not heard back.

So really reassuring to know that everything is being done in a trasparent and open way, and in line with clear guidelines.

It would seem that mnhq only responds to the "right kind of feminist" - but otherwise you are a non person they feel entitled to ignore.

@stumbledin as you mentioned me in the deleted post from 1808, would you care to pm me what you said to/about me please. I was unable to read the comment before @MNHQ deleted it.

I just said that it appeared when it suited mnhq they would act on behalf on you individual (in this case you) to distort what others have posted to try and boost up the flagging chat section.

And couldn't understand would think why anyone was entitled to do that.

Happy now?

No, not at all. I don't think @MNHQ would have deleted your post if that's all it said. I suspect it was a lot more offensive than that.

But I have explained why I did what I did, (not that I need to explain, but I did you the courtesy)

and now I will just ignore your goady posts.