mumsnet have moved one of my threads without permission and effectivelly instructed us how we may or may not discuss things.

[stumbledin]

I started a thread on the newsnight programme from last night about the man eventually convicted of killing two women after years of police failure.

For reason known only to the irrational concepts of mumsnet they have moved it to the "chat" board.

This is on one level just plain daft as there is already a thread on there about this, so there didn't need to be another.

But I specifically chose to have it on this thread as this is more likely to be where women who understand about women's sex based oppression post and I wanted to interact with them.

On one level this is political censorship. They created the division so they will have to live with them.

Hosting a board does NOT entitle you to tell those using the service how to think.

So not only have they falsely labelled this board a debate about something none of us are talking about (gender) they are now, with out having the gumption to even spell it out, taking secret decisions about what is or is not appropriate.

mumsnet seems to have suddenly decided that because the board is popular means that what they think is right think. Whereas what makes it popular are the posters.

This is like those facebook groups where the group admins suddently go power mad and think they because they are the admin they are also the holder of all true thought.

This is like the interns have taken over from the adults.

this is l

They’re certainly making it very hard to discuss feminism. I am a bit fed up about it.

stumbledin

Your anger is understandable, and supported.

I'm going to be honest, and say it is a bit weak-willed and lily-livered, and that it could have been moved to AIBU for the "exposure".

Perhaps a conversation needs to be opened up between posters and MNHQ about their OPs being moved from one section to another. OPs should/could be given the option of withdrawing their OP if they dont agree?

At least with this move, it is highlighted to all those who choose the hide/ignore the womens conversations.

In a rush. Hope that makes sense?

Thanks - I am in fact really angry. These are such serious issues and some admin staff are messing around based on what???????

MNHQ has never ever come on this board and explained what they think is the right way to think.

Quite honestly it would have made as much sense to move it gransnet.

Seriously who do they think they are.

Would you like us to go on it and derail until it gets brought back here?

Seriously though the new split boards do seem thoroughly unwieldy, and it's weird that MNHQ would choose such a modding headache.

Have seen that they have left my thread about Lone Parents on sex and gender.

What is their rationale?

I dont know which is worse. that they have some plan they cant be bothered to explain to us, or that some one has run off behind my back and complained.

It's very simple StumbledIn. It doesn't matter where on Mumsnet threads are posted, they are moved depending on where the monitors want them posted. So anything mentioning women's rights on AIBU or Chat is moved to Sex and Gender

However, they also want to pretend that there are lots of feminist threads on which "sex and gender" are irrelevant. In order to prove this, any thread that doesn't specifically mention sex is reported and moved to the Feminist Chat topic to bump up the numbers so shore up the "loads of people wanted to post in Feminism Chat but were scared off by the GC bullies".

You are asking the wrong question. It shouldn't be "what are the MN admins trying to achieve?" it should be "what do the MN twitter monitors and email reporters want?"

There's a thread about a transman competing in the Olympics over in Feminism Chat. Surely that belongs in Feminism Sex and Gender. But when I click on the thread it gives the subforum title at the top as Sex and Gender with a link to Chat below. Very confusing.
Now I'm wondering if thiso thread has been left there to make Chat look more popular.

But I specifically chose to have it on this thread as this is more likely to be where women who understand about women's sex based oppression post and I wanted to interact with them.

I think you are misunderstanding Justine and the mods emails.

Sorry, not emails, should have said posts.

You are angry with mumsnet?
What did you expect. This place isn’t the beacon of freedom of speech and it’s run by a club that you are either in or not.
I’d suggest if you want to have a decent conversation about anything then find somewhere else.

Hosting a board does NOT entitle you to tell those using the service how to think.

It very much does though or at least they can censor your posts easily. Free speech is limited especially when it goes against the owners views and that is fair enough. nothing to stop people making their own man hating board of they want.

I think you are misunderstanding Justine

How can i misunderstand her when I have never heard a word about what the rationale is.

This place isn’t the beacon of freedom of speech and it’s run by a club that you are either in or not.

This comment sidesteps the issue. I one talking about someone misrepresenting me by changing the context within which I started a discussion.

And I am bothering to make the comment / complaint because up in till now I have respected the way in which mumsnet is run.

Now it is as though some 6th Formers have been given control and are making widely different decisions based on .... who knows.

I think Turqouise if probably right. They are trying to manipulate what are the freely given contributions by posters to meet some end that they have.

The rationale has been explained.

If you want to check the rationale do an advanced search on Justinemumsnet and there's the answer.

And maybe stop with all the posts about everyone else who is just getting on with it being children/teenagers Stumbledin.

MNHQ move threads all the time. Royal Family, Brexit, In The News, Relationships, Mental Health, Pregnancy Choices, Religion to name just a few.

Why not email them [email protected] if you want to discuss their rationale
?

Hang on, have I got this right? Threads are being moved in both directions, i.e. from Chat to S&G, & from S&G to Chat? I hadn't expected that - though I don't see what's wrong with it, particularly. I'd seen S&G as something of a safety net, as in anything which fails the criteria for Chat ends up here & if anyone wants to start a thread here that's fine, but this is where it stays. I thought it was about maintaining the purity of Chat, IYSWIM. It's a little odd to do it in both directions.

If someone wants a thread to be in S&G, will it work if they word the OP in terms which would be unacceptable in Chat but fit the brief for S&G? Then it can't be moved.

@StumbledIn, I saw your post which got deleted & as I've recently become aware of that rule myself, I wanted to warn you about it but didn't because we can't edit or delete our posts, so I couldn't think of anything I could do to help. Well, we can report ourselves to MN & ask for a deletion, but I didn't see how that helped. Sorry.

It's because "Feminism: Sex and Gender" isn't really about sex and gender as feminist would know it, it's a board where women are to debate the meaning of words (woman and female, mainly).

The board title is misleading.

It's pissing me off. I wanted to discuss something today that came up (I have no friends to talk to about these things so post
on here instead) and I didn't know where to post so didn't bother. I find interaction difficult enough without having to think about which board is best for each feminism question.

Whistfulwisteria - what are you talking about.

If there is a decision taken about a thread then any decent adult would come on the board and explain and ask for feedback.

So unless or until someone at @MNHQ has the good manners and professional practice to come on this board its irrelevant what made have been said behind out backs.

If Justine or whoever wants to lead a political party where everyone toes her line thats fine.

But this is a discussion board for those who have signed up to it to talk about what interests them with others who may or may not share that interest.

But it looks like mumsnet seem to think they are runnning a nursery school were naughtly toddlers need to be told how to right think.

Everything that has been done has been underhand - and irrational.

And more and more looks like political manipulation.

Handy hint Whistfulwisteria - you dont have to read threads I start if you dont like what I say.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro - yes the title is misleading - deliberately. You have to ask yourself why.

CervixSampler - unfortunately some contributors are also feeling like you and some are wondering if that isn't the purpose of this illogical signposting.

Whistfulwisteria - what are you talking about.

I'm talking about this.

But it looks like mumsnet seem to think they are runnning a nursery school were naughtly toddlers need to be told how to right think.

Do you really need to keep insulting everyone?

I am describing someone's behaviour.

You are saying it is insulting.

I am illustrating how someone's behaviour makes them seem.

Still I am quite flattered that you seem to think it is worth replying to my comments.

Keeps the thread at the top of the board.

thanks!

It's been an interesting study in how change averse people are Stumbledin.

Reaction to change reflects who we are. Many are getting on with it, and those still objecting are demonstrating resistance to change, something I do find fascinating, particularly in the context of feminism.

I can't help but notice how much posting you have done about this change, and as someone used to observing resistance to change your multiple posts have definitely caught my eye. And that of others no doubt.

It's interesting to read the approach you are taking, that every one is childish or immature for getting on with it and by implication the only mature approach is to carry on objecting.

I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that most of your objections are quite far off the mark.

Pleased you are enjoying my observations.

Well, that's crap of them. I guess we need to put "please do not move this thread as it relates to women's sex-based oppression" in every OP.

Or you could just include in every thread starter "PS trans women are not women" Which is tempting, but probably not wise.

www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newPPM_94.htm

This is a great change model. In this Stumbledin you were insufficiently "unfrozen".

Any thoughts on the model?