Tokyo Olympics Canadian Women’s football team fielding a Transman

[TrainedByCats]

There doesn’t seem to be a lot of consistency in the IOC rules

Laurel Hubbard Transwoman allowed to compete as a female
Quinn Transman allowed to compete as a female
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54233946

TWAW, and TMAW.

Apparently.

So, it’s simple really...
Males are whoever they say they are.
Females are limited by their inescapable biology.

It’s pretty basic misogyny.

Isn't Quinn non-binary?

Quinn doesn’t identify as a woman so why are they on a women’s team?

I think Quinn is non-binary. Also, trans men would still be unable to compete in sport against born-males, I would assume, they'd be in danger physically.

What is Quinn transistioning to? Or is Quinn saying that Quinn is non-binary? Are there hormones involved? I’m guessing not if Quinn is being allowed to play. The hypocricy from the IOC is astounding.

This quote from Quinn is very telling to me. That someone born female should feel this way and wish to identify out of it is unsurprising (although there’s no reason why you couldn’t just live the way you wish and damn the haters):

We live in a world that is so binary and I have been receiving messages ever since I was a young child about how I should act, how I should portray myself and how I should be and anything that deviated from that was essentially wrong.

I wanted to live my authentic self, dress the way I wanted to, present the way I wanted to, and that wasn't always seen as positive, so that was really hard to digest.

Seems if you're non-binary you can play in the team for your biological sex. Quinn seems happy with that. And no unfair advantage.

I think you should change the title of this post, it's incorrect.

Quinn doesn’t identify as a woman so why are they on a women’s team?

Don’t go around asking logical questions like that and expect a sensible answer

Seems if you're non-binary you can play in the team for your biological sex. Quinn seems happy with that. And no unfair advantage.

I’m glad there’s no advantage as presumably no hormones involved. However, if you don’t identify as being in that sex category, surely it would be triggering and/or distressing to align yourself to a team made up of that category?

If Quinn isn't taking testosterone I think that's fine - they can identify how they like, user whatever pronouns they like and still compete in the correct category for their biological sex.

Hubbard competing as a woman based on their gender identity being female is ridiculous though. As the World Rugby consultation found, testosterone suppression in no way removes the strength advantages from having gone through a male puberty. Again, Laurel Hubbard can identify as having a female gender identity and can ask people to use gender-based pronouns. But she should not be competing in the women's sporting category. This is and should remain a category based on biological sex.

I'm fine with them competing - unless they've been bulking up on loads of testosterone? From the photos it doesn't look like it. I really don't understand non-binary though, surely it's just not wanting to conform to gender roles which are (optional) bollocks anyway. That's how it comes across from the statement they made, anyway.

Obviously it's inconsistent with Laurel Hubbard being allowed to compete as a woman, and hopefully as a result of that many more people are becoming aware of the importance of biological sex categories.

However, if you don’t identify as being in that sex category, surely it would be triggering and/or distressing to align yourself to a team made up of that category?

Reading the article, it seems Quinn's reasons for being non-binary are more to do with avoiding stereotypes than believing they are not female sex. So fits fine with playing for the woman's team.

@IndecentCakes

I think Quinn is non-binary. Also, trans men would still be unable to compete in sport against born-males, I would assume, they'd be in danger physically.

Non-binary isn't "woman" though, isn't that what they say? Does the literal violence of misgendering only apply when it's transwomen?

Anyway, why would they be unable to compete against men? Either biology is irrelevant and current hormone levels are all that matters, or biology is the primary determinant of advantage.

Can't have it both ways. Is it a women's category, or a "non-manly-men" category?

I’ve got absolutely no issue with this person competing on the women’s team. As long as no hormones have been taken then they’re still a biological woman they just dress in a non feminine way really.

I presume Quinn is not taking testosterone as being of the female sex if she had the 10 level of testosterone Hubbard is allowed Quinn would be accused of doping.

japantoday.com/category/sports/japanese-football-star-kumi-yokoyama-comes-out-as-transgender-man

Not sure if Kimi Yokoyama is in the Olympic team but still playing with a woman's yean in the USA.

Yean? Team

@Sexnotgender

I’ve got absolutely no issue with this person competing on the women’s team. As long as no hormones have been taken then they’re still a biological woman they just dress in a non feminine way really.

Obviously there is no issue if the categories are divided by sex.

But they aren’t, now, are they. Because sex is transphobic and gender identity is what matters. But apparently only for the male people.

Obviously there is no issue if the categories are divided by sex.

But they aren’t, now, are they. Because sex is transphobic and gender identity is what matters. But apparently only for the male people.

Yes I quite agree it needs to be consistent for both sexes.

Nothing wrong with a woman playing football, provided she isn't doping with testosterone.

Not really sure why the fact that she describes herself as trans (while presenting as female and playing women's football) is sports news.

"The 25-year-old remains eligible to compete in women's sport despite identifying as transgender because gender identity differs from a person's sex - their physical biology."

Unless you're a man who fancies some easy medals

I have no issues with Quinn a female playing in female sport (providing they're not doping) good luck to Quinn

@Sexnotgender

I’ve got absolutely no issue with this person competing on the women’s team. As long as no hormones have been taken then they’re still a biological woman they just dress in a non feminine way really.

So why are male non binary people like Travis Alabanza allowed to insist they must be allowed access to women’s spaces?

I thought this quote from the piece was interesting, if you compare it with the Laurel Hubbard situation.

"The 25-year-old remains eligible to compete in women's sport despite identifying as transgender because gender identity differs from a person's sex - their physical biology."

Well yes, quite.

No reason why Quinn shouldn't continue to play on the woman's team as long as they are not taking testosterone.

Personally I think sport should be split by sex and doping should not be allowed even if those drugs are arguably for a medical condition but thats not the route the IOC have decided to go so just pointing out the inconsistency/hypocrisy

So why are male non binary people like Travis Alabanza allowed to insist they must be allowed access to women’s spaces?

Absolutely no idea. It’s nonsense obviously.