Tokyo Olympics Canadian Women’s football team fielding a Transman

[TrainedByCats]

There doesn’t seem to be a lot of consistency in the IOC rules

Laurel Hubbard Transwoman allowed to compete as a female
Quinn Transman allowed to compete as a female
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54233946

As I pointed out in another thread, of all the transgender athletes who are going to possibly going to compete in the Olympics, all the transmen (born female) are going to compete in the women's category, and all the transwomen (born male) are also going to compete in the women's category.

I wanted to live my authentic self, dress the way I wanted to, present the way I wanted to, and that wasn't always seen as positive, so that was really hard to digest.

Isn’t this the experience of many many women, throughout history? It’s certainly my experience.

But you know what? I stepped up and live a feminist life, challenging sex stereotypes all the time. Not pretending I can “identify “ out of them.

I think this is a good example of how trans inclusion should work.

@NZGC

'The 25-year-old remains eligible to compete in women's sport despite identifying as transgender because gender identity differs from a person's sex - their physical biology.' This utterly contradicts every reason we are told 'proves' Hubbard is eligible to compete in the women's weightlifting.

I think is where the 'less than 10nmol/L testosterone' magically alters your sex to female.

It breaks my heart that Quinn feels the need to identify out of being female in order to be comfortable with not performing feminity. But I understand why. I hope Quinn is happy

Why does "it break your heart"?

It's complete and utter nonsense to say Quinn needs to identify out of being female in order to be comfortable with not performing femininty.

It's just a platitudinous word salad. It's just "me, me, me" - look at me I'm so special"

Why does "it break your heart"?

Because there’s no reason why Quinn should have to identify as non-female in order to not perform femininity. Quinn could not be feminine and be happily female.

It's complete and utter nonsense to say Quinn needs to identify out of being female in order to be comfortable with not performing femininity.

I agree. However Quinn seems to think differently and I see this as a huge problem.

"Break your heart" seems a rather OTT reaction to the inane wittering of one extremely privileged person.

“Most people, unless they're non-binary, have a gender identity of male or female”

I made a complaint to the BBC that this is untrue. Got a word salad response and have re-complained. Not holding my breath....

"Break your heart" seems a rather OTT reaction to the inane wittering of one extremely privileged person.

Ok

I've read the article twice and I'm still not sure what's being said.
Gender non conforming female doesn't conform to gender. And plays footy. You'd think Quinn would be gender critical but there you go...

I have a dull hope that non-binary might a way forward for expanding the expectations of being a man or woman.
If the kids need a label to see them through, let them - eventually will young women having short hair and wearing grey joggers be commonplace and not a big event which involves all the angst & navel gazing? They're not listening to middle aged women (like me) saying "you can do this anyway - nobody's binary" so let them find their own way.

Laurel Hubbard however is an entirely different matter & yes, shows the absurdity and inconsistency of the Olympic Committee.

@GrownUpBeans

However, if you don’t identify as being in that sex category, surely it would be triggering and/or distressing to align yourself to a team made up of that category?

Reading the article, it seems Quinn's reasons for being non-binary are more to do with avoiding stereotypes than believing they are not female sex. So fits fine with playing for the woman's team.

So Quinn is inadvertently admitting that it is about gender stereotypes.

@GrownUpBeans

“Most people, unless they're non-binary, have a gender identity of male or female”

I made a complaint to the BBC that this is untrue. Got a word salad response and have re-complained. Not holding my breath....

Yea, the fact that they with a straight face write "assigned female at birth"...

So Quinn is inadvertently admitting that it is about gender stereotypes

I do find it confusing that non-binary is included in 'T'. Non-binary seems to be about rejecting gender stereotypes while mtf and ftm is about embracing them. The only difference I can see between GC and non-binary is when non-binary includes altering the body eg breast binding.

Whatever, gender identity this athlete has, they obviously know that they have a female body and therefore are continuing playing in the female category. A similar situation is happening in Japan, where a player in the women's international team has come out as a transman. They obviously believe that they are a man by gender identity but also that they have a female body, as they are continuing to play in female teams.

I can't think of any sport where a born woman would be able to qualify as an Olympic Athlete if they are a transman.

A born woman who for all other puposes says they are trans will still want to be considered a woman as that's the only chance they have of being selected.

A born man who says they are trans gain a massive advantage to be considered a woman in all areas and their only chance of being selected as an Olympian is to be apply as a woman.

Both parties, imo, are dishonest. The transwomen are blatantly cheating by, apart from anything else, taking drugs. The transmen are cheating if they are also taking drugs. If they are not taking drugs they are being dishonest because they are claiming to be men but then participating in womens sport - how is this not triggering for them? A non binary person is just attention seeking and should be put in the team of their born sex and get on with it.