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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maya's judgement Thursday 10th June 10.30am

856 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/06/2021 18:13

Wishing her the very best of luck. twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402310977115279362?s=20

I'll be absolutely gutted if the original decision isn't overturned, but at least her case has let a lot of sunlight in.

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drum123 · 10/06/2021 10:37

Fucking brilliant!

OvaHere · 10/06/2021 10:37

That's fantastic. Well done Maya.

I've been avoiding MN all morning because the suspense was too much.

Giggorata · 10/06/2021 10:37

Woo Hoo! 🍾🥂

RadandMad · 10/06/2021 10:37

Overjoyed!!!!

AfternoonToffee · 10/06/2021 10:37

Good news.

FricasseeTurnips · 10/06/2021 10:38

Thank fuck for that Flowers

Manderleyagain · 10/06/2021 10:38

Thank god for that! I can't get a connection to the post on sex matters. It can't cope with the traffic!

ScreamingMeMe · 10/06/2021 10:38

Omg!!!!!! 🍾🍾🍾

CardinalLolzy · 10/06/2021 10:38

I need to sit quietly and read the whole judgment but.. wooop!

unwashedanddazed · 10/06/2021 10:38

Fucking brilliant!!!

xxyzz · 10/06/2021 10:38

Phew.

smithsinarazz · 10/06/2021 10:38

Can't express too much my admiration for Maya's fortitude and bravery. She has lifted a cloud that has been hanging over all of us for years.

Whatwouldrowando · 10/06/2021 10:38

Yessssss! What a week we're having! Thank you, Maya, and the many brave women standing with you.

InglouriousBasterd · 10/06/2021 10:38

Brilliant news!

Clymene · 10/06/2021 10:38

Hurrah!! 🥳 🍾 🥂

RockaLock · 10/06/2021 10:39

Amazing news. Well done Maya and your team.

GrolliffetheDragon · 10/06/2021 10:39

Sorry, is there any evidence that bisexual people are interested in trans people as much as they are interested in men and women? I would have thought it is perfectly possible to be attracted to men and women but not trans people.

Well I can't say it would never happen, but I've yet to see a trans person I've found attractive. So far there's always something too male about TW and too female about TM that just doesn't work for me.

InvisibleDragon · 10/06/2021 10:39

Omg, trying to click through to the sex matters article from Maya's tweet and it won't display.

I think the number of people trying to view it at the same time crashed the server! Grin

SuperDuperStraight · 10/06/2021 10:39

Wow amazing!!! I have goosebumps!!! Well done Maya. So so proud of you!

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/06/2021 10:39

Yessssss

Nice one Maya!FlowersWine

xxyzz · 10/06/2021 10:39

Can anyone who can get onto the Sex Matters page and can see the judgement quote any highlights here, please?

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 10/06/2021 10:39

Interesting in light of Stonewall’s statement yesterday that the judgment says the category of gender reassignment as a protect characteristic would only apply to a small number of trans people.

sashh · 10/06/2021 10:40

Wow is it too early to open the cava?

User63 · 10/06/2021 10:40

Held, allowing the appeal, that the Tribunal had erred in its application of Grainger V. A philosophical belief would only be excluded for failing to satisfy Grainger V if it was the kind of belief the expression of which would be akin to Nazism or totalitarianism and thereby liable to be excluded from the protection of rights under Articles 9 and 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) by virtue of Article 17 thereof. The Claimant’s gender-critical beliefs, which were widely shared, and which did not seek to destroy the rights of trans persons, clearly did not fall into that category. The Claimant’s belief, whilst offensive to some, and
UKEAT/0105/20/JOJ

notwithstanding its potential to result in the harassment of trans persons in some circumstances, fell within the protection under Article 9(1), ECHR and therefore within s.10, EqA.
However:
a. This judgment does not mean that the EAT has expressed any view on the merits of either side of the transgender debate and nothing in it should be regarded as so doing.
b. This judgment does not mean that those with gender-critical beliefs can ‘misgender’ trans persons with impunity. The Claimant, like everyone else, will continue to be subject to the prohibitions on discrimination and harassment that apply to everyone else. Whether or not conduct in a given situation does amount to harassment or discrimination within the meaning of EqA will be for a tribunal to determine in a given
case.
c. This judgment does not mean that trans persons do not have the protections against
discrimination and harassment conferred by the EqA. They do. Although the protected characteristic of gender reassignment under s.7, EqA would be likely to apply only to a proportion of trans persons, there are other protected characteristics that could potentially be relied upon in the face of such conduct.
d. This judgment does not mean that employers and service providers will not be able to provide a safe environment for trans persons. Employers would continue to be liable (subject to any defence under s.109(4), EqA) for acts of harassment and discrimination against trans persons committed in the course of employment.