Colin Pitchfork: Double schoolgirl murderer can be released

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His release is subject to a number of licence conditions.

These include living at a designated address, taking part in probation supervision, wearing an electronic tag, taking part in lie detector tests and having to disclose what vehicles he uses and who he speaks to, with particular limits on contact with children.

He will also be subject to a curfew, have restrictions on using technology and limits on where he can go.

So they clearly don't think he's 'rehabilitated'?

Does anyone know if these restrictions expire?

@NiceGerbil do you mean the CPS ??

His new name absolutely should be shared, as has been for the past few days in the main stream press.

You are trivialising. You can’t say oh but so and so, all are dreadful. Hopefully the same legislation used in John Warboys case will be utilised here.

It's a justice system created by men for men. There is literally nothing a man can do that won't have him garner sympathy and excuses from other men

This ain’t it. Lots of women advocate for restorative justice for absolute scumbags like this

That’s the thing though isn’t it...if the media hadn’t reported it this it would have slipped by largely unnoticed.

I'm not trivialising.

Why are sex offenders, murderers, men who commit DV, groom and rape children. Not subject to the same media attention.

They are also very dangerous and have also caused massive harm. Deprived children of their mothers. Girls of a normal life.

The monstering of a handful is not good enough. All of these crimes are an outrage.

Not surprised at all

1000 episodes of indecent exposure over years.

I mean FFS.

I'm not trivialising anything.

I'm angry that men who could be caught aren't until they've harmed loads of women and girls.

And then they're deemed an aberration, a monster.

But something could be done. If there was an appetite for it. There isn't.

Rape cases with anyone charged. 1.5% I think. That's the ones reported to the police. Charged. Not even prosecuted.

These men, some will be serial rapists. Some will go on to do worse.

It all makes me so angry.

Why is all this not a priority in our society FFS.

@BrandineDelRoy I met Prof. Sir Alec at uni when I was looking for his colleague along the corridor in order to drop some work off, I was a little star struck! We take DNA evidence for granted these days but it was such a massive game changer, I think the general public sometimes forget that.

I'm sceptical that Pitchfork is rehabilitated but fingers crossed he only slips up and breaks his conditions in the most minor of ways if/when he does, popping to the corner shop after his curfew or something.

[quote PensionPuzzle]@BrandineDelRoy I met Prof. Sir Alec at uni when I was looking for his colleague along the corridor in order to drop some work off, I was a little star struck! We take DNA evidence for granted these days but it was such a massive game changer, I think the general public sometimes forget that.

I'm sceptical that Pitchfork is rehabilitated but fingers crossed he only slips up and breaks his conditions in the most minor of ways if/when he does, popping to the corner shop after his curfew or something.[/quote]
He's a "sir"! Wonderful.

Agree @NiceGerbil

This may be wrong, but I love how men are getting prosecuted for rapes and murders now from decades ago with the new forensic genetic DNA.

They generally aren't getting caught by their blood; it's by semen, meaning they enjoyed what they did.

And I realize it's a North American thing, generally.

That's a really grim post. Why bring up enjoyment on a thread like this? It's made me feel really queasy, too much.

And what do you mean about north American? You mean the scandal that various states had thousands upon thousands of untested samples?

There was a lot in the news even over here.

If you think it's great they're getting through the backlog and nicking some sex offenders decades after they could have got them..

Yay?

Nice Gerbil. please be careful not to discuss criminal cases that are current.
once a verdict has been delivered it is ok to discuss, but not before.

He's 61. If he was 81 I would still be appalled he was being released but could accept that there is little risk to teenage girls.

61 year old men are still stronger than most women and this is an opportunistic sexual sadist, I can't fathom that he gets to live another 20 that years free on this earth after what he did.

@alexdgr8

Nice Gerbil. please be careful not to discuss criminal cases that are current. once a verdict has been delivered it is ok to discuss, but not before.

You're talking about the recent case in London?

Not sure what I said wrong but if so sorry.

writing on here is tantamount to writing in a newspaper.
it is not like chatting at the water-cooler.
therefore you could be putting yourself and/or MN in jeopardy of contravening the Contempt of Court Act 1981, the strict liability rule.
you cannot say eg, a particular person defrauded the revenue, if that person has been charged and the case is before the courts.
that is prejudicial.
it is best not to mention current criminal cases at all, as the Act is so wide-ranging.
once the case has been concluded, and a verdict brought in, then it may be discussed.

Then report the post that you find troublesome.

You'll need to search for the threads at the time as well. There were loads. If you do an advanced Search on some key words you should find most of them.

I'm assuming that's the case you mean as you haven't said.

I've deleted that bit and reposting.

Will report my other post.

During subsequent questioning, Pitchfork admitted to exposing himself to more than 1,000 women, a compulsion that began in his early teens. He later progressed to sexual assault and then to strangling his victims in order to protect his identity. He pleaded guilty to the two rapes/murders in addition to another incident of sexual assault, and was sentenced to life imprisonment.'

So there were more than 1000 victims. From indecent exposure to sexual assault and rape to other murders and then this crime.

Some of them must have reported it. No way they didn't.

Warboys and Reid. Multiple opportunities to stop them. Warboys cab reg was given to them some years before he was caught.

Ian Huntley. Had been reported by a string of young women and teens for sexual assault and rape.

The reports last year. Over and over. Women reporting to police. He's threatened me. He's going to kill me. And then he did.

It is very very well known that these men escalate.

If the police took 'minor' sex offences seriously. If they encouraged reporting. Linked reports. Then a lot of really dangerous men could be taken off the streets.

Because if one man has multiple reports from different women who don't know each other... Surely it's got to be easier to prosecute and convict.

Loads of women have a name. A description. A locality. of men who have assaulted them.

What can we do with them? Nothing.

They need a database and a message to all women and girls to report. And even if it was ages ago. Or you don't want to go to court. Tell us. And we just might be able to get a few really nasty serial offenders off the streets. And possibly before they do something heinous.

I don't get why the use of 'enjoyment' is controversial. These are not crimes of desperation or necessity; these are crimes committed for entertainment. There are men who think a woman's life is worth less than one of their orgasms. Men who are proven to think this way are too dangerous for society.

And in other news today, most women who leave prison have no home to go to. Just £46 for travel & food.

The same applies to men. Interestingly, it’s going up to £76 at some point this summer.

@Umberellatheweatha

See it's the use of the word 'rehabilatated' that's just so misleading. I mean it implies that sadists and sociopaths and similar were once healthy, neurotypical members of society. When in fact these people have been fucked up since way back when they were in nappies.

If he has been 'rehabilitated' then the person/team who did it deserves the nobel prize. Or whatever the psychologist equivalent is. Seriously, where's the book deal and the 12 step program? Yeah...its not possible to rehabilitate monsters to be anything other than monsters who can hide it better.

I totally agree with this. The phrase that kept coming back into my head last night from the news report was the one saying “he has made progress”. Progress from what? Being an evil, sadistic child rapist and murderer? Now he’s what then? Not quite so much of an evil sadist?? You can’t rehabilitate evil.

He knew what he did was wrong and it was very calculated and cunning. He had zero remorse because he went on to repeat his actions.

IMO, the original sentence was wrong. He should have got double what he got, then he’d be spending the rest of his life in prison.

The problem is in part that he was sentenced at a time when whole life sentences weren't available, and his sentence couldn't be changed retrospectively. It is very likely that he would have received a whole life sentence if it had been available, because his crimes meet the relevant criteria.

The life sentence remains in force and he can be recalled to prison immediately if he breaches any of his licence conditions, and he will be monitored very closely indeed.

He doesn’t deserve a second chance. I think there are people who act stupidly when they’re young and they genuinely can change and reflect on how stupid and reckless they were decades later. But crimes like this show there’s something fundamentally wrong with him. When asked why he killed one of the girls he said the opportunity was there so he did it. And now we’re giving him another opportunity. And he did it twice so he didn’t regret the first time.