Organisations Leaving Stonewall: The List

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Thought it would be handy to keep a running list here of organisations who have done 'budget reviews' or similar and have subsequently decided that Stonewall are 'not value for money'.

EHRC
ACAS
House of Commons
DVLA
Dorset Police
The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government

Do feel free to update the thread as more join the exodus.

Did we know about the Ministry of Justice?
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[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]Did we know about the Ministry of Justice?
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Oooh 🍾

Excellent news!

The following is tremendous:

Sources at the Ministry of Justice suggested that the decision to withdraw from the scheme was also based on concerns about Stonewall’s “dubious” training and approach to free speech. Antonia Romeo, the permanent secretary, is now reviewing the department’s diversity policy on behalf of Mr Buckland.

An MoJ source said: “It’s a shame, as this was once an organisation that did incredibly important work, but it has totally lost its way and the ministers just don’t think it’s justifiable to give Stonewall taxpayers’ money.

Was just about to post about the MoJ!

I was just going to post about the MOJ! Fantastic!

I'm very happy to read that article @ItsAllGoingToBeFine
Last year I had reason to visit the Ministry of Justice (just before lockdown). I was shocked by the amount of stonewall posters emblazoned across the walls. After passing security one progressed through a sort of security gate system and hit a T junction with a head height wall directly in front filtering people to right or left. The whole wall was spattered with posters announcing their position near the top of Stonewall's workplace equality index. In the lift there was a poster for something mundane on one side of the door (probably coronavirus) and stonewall on the other. Needless to say rainbow lanyards were de rigeur. I really found it intimidating and thought how horrible it would be to work in such a place.

MoJ is good news I hope its good news on the polices they implement re males in.womens prisons. Fingers crossed

“The department will be just as welcoming to LGBT people as before, but we really shouldn’t be paying thousands of pounds for controversial advice about pronouns and gender-neutral spaces.”

Well, they're not mincing their words are they?

@MaudTheInvincible

“The department will be just as welcoming to LGBT people as before, but we really shouldn’t be paying thousands of pounds for controversial advice about pronouns and gender-neutral spaces.”

Well, they're not mincing their words are they?

Kinell!

The department will be just as welcoming to LGBT people as before, but we really shouldn’t be paying thousands of pounds for controversial advice about pronouns and gender-neutral spaces.”

I loved that bit. The MoJ spent £10,126.80 on stonewall between 2018 & 2020.

Delighted that the MoJ are leaving Stonewall.

But this is not the end.

An urgent review of all policies re transgender prisoners is required including those relating to allocation, data collection, risk assessment and security categorisation. The policy on searching is currently under review and it is imperative that the existing rights of female offenders to only be strip searched by officers of the same sex is not removed. This is on the table as an option.

MoJ needs to realise that leaving Stonewall is the first step of a much needed process.

The sessions involve prison and probation staff closing their eyes to imagine walking through a park where they come across different people, after which they are challenged to say if everyone they “saw” was white, able-bodied or in a heterosexual relationship.

They wouldn't have got very far with my Mum and she can't see pictures in her head.

@KeepPrisonsSingleSex

Delighted that the MoJ are leaving Stonewall.

But this is not the end.

An urgent review of all policies re transgender prisoners is required including those relating to allocation, data collection, risk assessment and security categorisation. The policy on searching is currently under review and it is imperative that the existing rights of female offenders to only be strip searched by officers of the same sex is not removed. This is on the table as an option.

MoJ needs to realise that leaving Stonewall is the first step of a much needed process.

Absolutely this.

Is there anything we can do to help make this happen?

And the reasons have gone from "budget constraints" to "they are just a bit rubbish." *

*Paraphrasing of course.

This is fantastic news. Where MoJ leads, hopefully other parts of the judicial system will follow. KeepPrisonsSingleSex is right, though - we need to keep the pressure up to make sure that happens.

Exactly @AfternoonToffee it's a joy to see the actual reasons rather than 'money saving'

There is no way we are stepping back now, the pressure is on, keep 'em coming....

In the words of a proud gay musical legend...

"Don't stop me now, I'm having such a good time, I'm having a ball."

The responses to Michael Cashman's complaints about this are a joy but he did offer up a barn door for them:

When faced with bullying and intimidation one must stand one’s ground and hold firm to one’s principles. All organisations must do the same.
Bullying, intimidation, misrepresentation and inequality must never succeed.

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Absolutely fantastic news.

This is the trickle becoming a deluge.

Stonewall are toast.

Wow!

I'm a little bit apprehensive that some media dominating event will appear to distract attention.

I saw an exchange the other day which feels on point:

"A black woman queuing to vote in S Africa's 1st free election who, on being told by John Humphreys on BBCr4 today of a bombing in Jo'burg, said "The dying snake always wriggles", which great image Mr H repeated"

It’s a relief that things are moving but I agree we should be on our guard.

I also think the public enquiry can’t happen soon enough.

Great news about the MoJ. Love their statements. Feels as if people have been pissed off with Stonewall for a long time and are enjoying this moment.

Reading Maya's article
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made me think about how the advertising industry works to create new sub-sets of the population and new problems that no one knew existed until a product was developed for it. This is what Stonewall's doing, isn't it? Identifying and creating a demi-sexual category (as someone said upthread, demi-sexuality used to be the norm) and then developing — what? Regulations requiring....what?

Can't help feeling that what they've done with regard to the T has been absolutely tragic for the transexuals just quietly trying to live their lives. In commercialising trans, they're going to end up doing massive damage all round.

Where is Ruth Hunt? Is she in hiding?

My eyes are on stalks reading those quotations from the MOJ 😳 that is one sick burn.

1400 pages of documentation, though. It’s absurd. I am willing to bet that the 1400 page submission was read one time or less. Then popped in a (virtual) drawer and never seen again.

The equal treatment bench book, for guidance in Courts, also needs to be reviewed.....we can not submit to a woman having to refer to the man who raped her, as ‘she’

Really no female pronouns should be used in a court of law to anyone who is male.