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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What Gender Critical REALLY means: Gender Critical GC = Stereotype Critical SC = Oppression Critical OC = Demanding Equality DE = Prioritising Safeguarding PS

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FindTheTruth · 29/05/2021 11:15

I’ve been thinking about what Gender Critical REALLY MEANS after Nancy Kelley equated this to being anti semitic. Some observations, based on thousands of FWR posts in this forum:

Gender critical means criticising stereotypes ; We’re critical of stereotypes imposed by patriarchy. We reject teaching children the belief that stereotypes equate to gender identity. We say let toys be toys. Let children wear what they want. Let girls and boys play with what they want, dress how they want, play the sports that they want and do what they want. We reject adults teaching children that wanting to have fun, means that they are born in the wrong body or that ‘doctors got it wrong’. Thousands of females had short hair and wanted to climb trees or play with the boys. It’s fine. Thousands of males wanted to dress in beautiful clothes or play with dolls. It’s fine.

Gender critical means Demanding Equality ; We want fairness and equality for all groups and categories of people, including the female sex class. This means ‘nothing about us without us’ where each category is free to represent themselves in policy and law. To be inclusive you need categories; erasing a category = erasing their rights. . One category doesn’t have the human right to erase another category. One category does not have the human right to define another category to which they don’t belong.

Gender critical means Prioritising Safeguarding ; Nothing comes above the safety of children. EVER. Every female has a tally and at certain times needs single sex spaces, including refuges.

Gender critical means Oppression Critical ; standing up against the oppression silencing women in universities, political parties, public bodies, workplaces and social media.

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TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 31/05/2021 15:05

Gender critical means reducing people to their reproductive capacity.

No it doesn’t. It means limiting the category of those who can reasonably and justifiably be called “women” (for example). Limiting the category. Not limiting or reducing the people in that category to anything at all.

Can you grasp that distinction, yeahbutnaw? Now that this has been explained to you over and over again?

Do you have the capacity to understand that having a class defining characteristic is not a reduction thereto?

Either you have that capacity but choose deliberately to misrepresent what other people are saying. Or you don’t have the capacity and really don’t understand any of these arguments at all.

Doesn’t look good either way, tbh.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 31/05/2021 15:07

@Blibbyblobby

The critical point being, it doesn't actually matter whether or not gender is real, what we need to focus on is that sex is very definitely real, it is not the same thing as gender, and female people therefore need to have space, recognition, resources and support to deal with the differences issues that arise due to sex. Whatever may or may not be needed by "women" based on gender is a separate thing and should not impact support for the female sex.
Hear, hear
Lonel · 31/05/2021 15:10

@yeahbutnaw
Have you been reading too much Mr Topsy Turvy by chance? It's quite impressive how you've managed to grasp the wrong end of so many sticks.

Helleofabore · 31/05/2021 15:13

I think what posters who post things like 'GC people believe x' when x is clearly wrong forget, is that patient FWR posters come back each time with well thought out answers. It makes for very educational threads.

We very rarely see a particularly clever or interesting take on the subjects though. I would really like to see more of those posts. It does get tedious seeing the same old trope being rolled out time and time again.

howtocomplain · 31/05/2021 15:33

Love a good Venn diagram...

What Gender Critical REALLY means: Gender Critical GC = Stereotype Critical SC = Oppression Critical OC = Demanding Equality DE = Prioritising Safeguarding PS
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 31/05/2021 18:19

FWR poster...this is what I believe

Yeahnaw...no you don’t believe that at all, this is what you believe

Thats not in the fucking spirit now is it?

Beamur · 31/05/2021 18:39

I don't think you get to tell people what they believe. They get to do that themselves.
I don't recognise those lists as being GC thinking. You've got that wrong.
It's a good Venn diagram.

SunnydaleClassProtector99 · 31/05/2021 19:30

I always find it a bit interesting that yeahbutnaw takes their name from a show which pokes fun at men attempting to do ladies things.

It's like a burr in my paw whenever I see them post.

Just had to get that off my chest.

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