Stonewall defends its direction to BBC

[WarriorN]

Stonewall boss defends new strategy amid criticism www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57281448

And also, the BBC are card carrying flag waving Stonewall champions. If SW are in the news for all the wrong reasons, how can they provide unbiased coverage?

Hmmmm?

I think I would say that the old chestnut ‘are you on glue?’ could be applicable here.

With one fell swoop Nancy Kelly has completely destroyed any further relationship with EHRC by doubling down the way she has. Not only the highly offensive comparison (particularly right at the moment with so much truly offensive abuse being aimed at the Jewish communities) but the denial that women should be able to discuss the implications of laws, policies and guidelines on them.

The lack of including SEX as a protected category was very telling. Her entire statement is about denying that bit of the law exists.

Nancy Kelly does not come out as a strong leader. She seems to be saying to each and every diversity champion organization, ‘if you get sued, we will not be backing you up. It is YOUR interpretation of OUR interpretation that got you in trouble’.

More organisations will find their budgets too straitened to continue. Particularly if they look at some of the ‘visions’ in their new strategy document. Things like opposing ‘spousal veto’ and wanting to ensure trans people have a right to not declare their trans status to sexual partners are all about creating a special category of people who can negate another person’s consent.

Nancy needs to do more interviews like this. All over mainstream media. It is like pulling open the curtains!

Three examples of specifically anti-Semitic government policies over the last 1000 years to the modern era:

"Get out of our country now. Your income? Not our problem - bugger off." (Almost every country in Europe, multiple times, including England.)

"Change your religion to fit our beliefs or die. And we won't trust you even after you've capitulated to us." Spanish Inquisition.

"You have no rights here, but you can't leave the country because we want your labour." Soviet Union.

These policies have been repeated over and over, in many countries. See any parallels in attitude?

It's not gender criticalism that I would compare to anti-Semitism.

And, yes, I'm Jewish.

@midgedude

So what bout the group protected because of sex?

Don't worry - males are still protected.

How desperate they are. Why are they so unable to engage on the level, without the absurd hyperbole? Well, I think we all know why.

They’re definitely shitting it. They’ve never had this level of open scrutiny before and it shows. This article just shows how extreme they are willing to be to defend themselves.

I'm stunned by how offensive her comments and beliefs are. How dare she say GC is akin to anti Semitism.

Yep, when people who have been living in an echo chamber, and spent years reinforcing every brick, and denouncing anyone who is not in the chamber with them, they will really reallllllly struggle when they are forced out into the light and to have a dialogue with people outside their bubble.

There's a lot of misunderstanding there about the protected characteristics, which would be immediately pulled up in my workplace. It looks like Nancy needs to be sent on some diversity and inclusion training.

I am absolutely furious about her comparing gender critical beliefs to anti Semitism. I can’t say what I really think about her using Jewish people to bolster her argument without getting a deletion but it really is bullshit.

@JustcameoutGC

Yep, when people who have been living in an echo chamber, and spent years reinforcing every brick, and denouncing anyone who is not in the chamber with them, they will really reallllllly struggle when they are forced out into the light and to have a dialogue with people outside their bubble.

Yes, this. She did a really poor job of making an argument here. And on the one hand, most of us aren't surprised because we think gender ideology is inherently illogical - but on the other, I'm still surprised at just how bad its proponents are at articulating a viewpoint. I'm thinking of what a damp squib the ONS's defence was in the census case - even a big-hitting barrister couldn't weave a sensible argument out of it all!

...Why on earth did she go down the route of "protected caharcteristics" when she must know...I mean...but...but...

There's no accident behind her comparing GC views to antisemitism. It's designed to shut down debate and scare people off.

The shameless misrepresentation of the law is appalling but it's all part of the strategy and they've got people too scared to challenge them.

She is definitely going to regret that desperate statement that gender critical beliefs are akin to Anti-Semitism.

And well done to the BBC for laying it out clearly as well:

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has said its defence of the right to hold "gender critical beliefs" - that sex cannot be changed - "does not have an impact on our commitment to uphold the rights of transgender people".

Nancy Kelley can't skink any lower. The insult to Jewish people is just beyond belief.

When she was appointed there was a thread about her previous experience, and all of it suggested she was woefully under equipped to lead this organisation through such a highly contentious situation (which obviously was largely of its own making).

All of her actions since them have demonstrated how limited her abilities are. That the SW board put her in charge suggests that they weren't exactly inundated with quality candidates.

So, I think it is not possible for humans to change sex. I think that women and girls need to have single sex provision e.g. in sport, in hospital, in shelters, in schools. That view, according to Stonewall, is analogous to anti Semitism?

Sarah Phillimore says it's time to complain to the EHRC and charity commission.

twitter.com/svphillimore/status/1398534245572820999?s=21

Absolutely astounding. A desperate attempt to double down and try and shut people up.

Good luck with getting most of the population to accept they are the same as anti semites because they have some reservations about individuals with penises in the women’s changing rooms with their daughters.

@Doyoumind

There's no accident behind her comparing GC views to antisemitism. It's designed to shut down debate and scare people off.

The shameless misrepresentation of the law is appalling but it's all part of the strategy and they've got people too scared to challenge them.

I agree. She is trying to frame gender critical views (which I would argue are a majority not a minority held belief in the U.K) as extremist and inherently discriminatory. That’s absolutely not the case.

Text of my complaint to the BBC today:

I am writing to complain about the disgraceful comments made by the head of Stonewall, Nancy Kelley, which appeared - unchallenged - on the BBC News website on 29 May 2021.

In the article, Ms Kelley likens people who adhere to the fact of biological sex to anti-semites. This is deeply crass and offensive - both to the Jewish community whose history has been made light of, and to women (who also have a protected characteristic - that of sex). Ms Kelley is not fit to lead a national, influential organisation if this is her viewpoint, and the BBC is not fit to see itself as an impartial, trustworthy news broadcaster.

Using anti semitism as a tool to further stonewalls agenda centring the T is abhorrent, but a standard tactic they use, co opting the struggles of others.

I agree re Nancy Kelly she is woeful, but much of the blame should lie at the door of

First they used homophobia and section 28, then DSD, now anti semitism is on the rise they leverage that as well.

I agree re Nancy Kelly she is woeful, but much of the blame should lie at the door of Ruth hunt.

Unbelievable that she would do this.

I will never stop being surprised by the blind spot so many purportedly progressive people have to their own anti semitism. This is pure projection. She knows it’s bad to be anti Semitic, she knows it’s bad to be gender critical, so they’re basically the same thing, amirite?

By making the analogy this way, she’s only demonstrated that she understands neither gender critical analysis, nor anti semitism, because someone who truly understood how the latter manifests, wouldn’t weaponise it as a critique of the former. It’s breathtakingly offensive.

@Whatstheweatherlike

There's a lot of misunderstanding there about the protected characteristics, which would be immediately pulled up in my workplace. It looks like Nancy needs to be sent on some diversity and inclusion training.

Hahaha! I wonder who would lead the training?

It’s not ‘misunderstanding’. Every word that comes out of her mouth has been rehearsed - ‘lets get the language to say what we want to say, not what it actually means’. Stoneball CEO talks about gender identity being a PC, all their lemming followers will repeat the same mantra. Same as “TWAW / TMAM / NB are valid”