Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

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Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

@VladimirCutiePutiPie

Sapphos What has race got to do with this? You are coming across as extremely prejudiced.

I'm scared that attitude some in sector maybe have is maybe why some of my bad experiences and it may not be why but it makes me more scared of trying again. I'm white and middle class accent and still serious violence happened and things that get you trapped.

@Floisme

I think if I'd been abused I'd find it a huge relief if I knew someone as determined and passionate as Posie had my back.

Yes this, and as she will no doubt be targeted and has previously stood up for herself, I would happily be in her shelter should I ever need it. At the very least I'd know no men would be allowed.

Still finding this thread really odd (yes I am a regular MNer, I just NC a lot). There are amazing women fighting hard in the women’s sector and either this effort is ignorant of that or it’s in competition with it. Which is it? It’s clearly not coordinating with the women who have huge professional experience of the regulatory, practical and professional requirements needed to run this kind of service (it is complex in many ways!) and are already doing so and need our support and our backing. Just saying vaguely ‘oh yes she’s talking to those women’ isn’t enough. Who are they? What are their credentials?

I’m not saying this to be factional, I do not believe in factionalism. But sometimes ‘star quality’ can be counterproductive. Does anyone here understand how rude and ignorant it is to talk about the people delivering existing women’s provision as though they either don’t know about the current challenges or are too scared to front up? They are there! They have been fighting this since before many of you even knew about this as an issue. The fact that you don’t know who they are is on YOU.

If it fails KindofCoping you can do a "told you so" post on here and feel vindicated.

Personally, I happy to give some money to Posie to give this a try. Maybe it will work? Wouldn't that be great? Maybe it won't and we'll be disappointed and try something else.

I'm not sure what else to say really.

Simone Many of us know who these women are. But where are the shelters? Yes we don’t know because confidentiality has to be an issue. But that’s not helpful at 3.35am when a man is threatening to “end you”, is it? How can we do the research at that time?

@VladimirCutiePutiPie

Sapphos What has race got to do with this? You are coming across as extremely prejudiced.

Posie specifically said in her video she wants her refuge to be for Muslim women. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of Muslim women on this, because it comes across as very white saviour to me.

That’s not an answer though is it. If you ask the women running those services they will have LOADS of ideas and ambitions about how their services can reach out and be more accessible and comprehensive. They need MONEY. If Posie wants to fundraise for them, grand - I’m on board. Great idea. These resources need our support and some publicity. But is this that? I haven’t seen any evidence so far that she’s working with the existing providers. I’m asking the question. I’ve been asking. I’m not hearing any answers.

@PatsArrow But if it fails because those setting this up do not know what they are doing, they can do harm to vulnerable women.

Sapphos No she didn’t. It’s for all women. Listen again.

I don't know, something feels a bit off about it. I would feel the same if Katie Hopkins decided to open a women's refuge.

Posie is nothing like Katie's Hopkins ffs.

Some wealthy, privileged white women are brilliant at playing to a crowd and courting controversy. They have clear enemies. They play up to their pantomime villain roles.

Racist.

@SimonedeBeauvoirscat I totally agree with you.
And I had missed that this is supposed to be for Muslim women. That makes any provision even more complex.

If Posie wants to fundraise for them, grand - I’m on board

She doesn't need you to be on board.

Kindof Read again what people have written and what you have written and then make some decisions for yourself after actually watching. The video. You’ve mixed up people and nobody has said this is exclusively for a Muslim women apart from one poster on here being dishonest. Critical thinking? Nil.

KindofCoping, once again Posie has stated she has support of women who have experience and have done this before. You're beginning to sound like you're angry she didn't run it past you first.

All the details you want you'll have to ask Posie.

Sorry if that's not the comprehensive, detailed 10 year business plan you want but none of us can give you that.

This thread is just going round and round in circles.

This is about dislike for Posie.

Petty as fuck.

And in no way 'Feminist'

Bloody hell there is some nasty anti Posie stuff on this thread.
I support her, and have donated.

I didn't say the refuge was 'exclusively' for Muslim women, I said Posie specifically mentions Muslim women in her video.

People on here should read the update on Kellie-Jay’s Crowdfunding website. A lot of people on here seem to want this venture to fail. I wonder why that might be?

If anyone has questions, it's pointless asking them on here. Ask Posie.

And if anyone has expertise you could reach out and offer to help?

She wants to make a big deal of setting up a facility that is women only from the get go. Maybe she wants to set a precedent. Giving the money raised to an existing facility won't do that.

In terms of sustainability, I'm sure fundraising is something that Posie is very, very good at.

Ultimately, the goal is that it shouldn't be necessary. The government should finance all female only facilities.

“She doesn't need you to be on board.”

Sad indictment of the women’s movement that this is the kind of unhelpful and unconstructive response I get for asking a question. I’ll assume the answer is NO then. Does the concept of solidarity mean much to you, or are you just here for the kind of petty factionalism that helps make us all irrelevant? No, don’t bother answering, I can predict what you’ll say. It’s embarrassing to those who actually work on these issues day in and day out.

[quote kindofcoping]@PatsArrow But if it fails because those setting this up do not know what they are doing, they can do harm to vulnerable women.[/quote]
It already happens and happened to me because not bad existing services but not always right for all of us and not enough money partly but also maybe sometimes some attitudes I don't know. I am vulnerable woman and harm has been done to me and please don't be angry by me saying this but it's was so awful when needed and still need help and now especially as I'm posting about it I'm even more scared to try again for help. Can't describe how feels to need help and not get it or its not available what's right help for you. Think it's partly destroyed me as much as violence and abuse. Feel like I'm bad person and my fault and like I don't matter as people talk about vulnerable women but maybe if you're older or middle class or don't fit stereotype victim maybe not seen as deserving of help. Obviously I'm doing it again my fault if don't get help because posting on here definitely get blacklisted from support so I'm really stupid to post but really awful when things go wrong. Most lovely kind and just need more support and funding but some are bad. Wonderful kind people helping but not always works out so hope something new gives more options maybe won't help a woman like me but maybe others.

@SimonedeBeauvoirscat

“She doesn't need you to be on board.”

Sad indictment of the women’s movement that this is the kind of unhelpful and unconstructive response I get for asking a question. I’ll assume the answer is NO then. Does the concept of solidarity mean much to you, or are you just here for the kind of petty factionalism that helps make us all irrelevant? No, don’t bother answering, I can predict what you’ll say. It’s embarrassing to those who actually work on these issues day in and day out.

Your solidarity only seems to extend to women who you feel are educated to the same level as you on this issue. We only need to scroll up to see the evidence of that.

@Datun The government only funds a small amount of DV work. A lot is funded by Local Authorities. To get that funding you have to win it against other projects.

I have read the update on the crowdfunded. I suspect now this is a stunt and there is no real plan to open a refuge. It is publicity to raise the issue.

@kindofcoping

Yes, she really needs to say who will be running it. After all whoever runs it will be targetted anyway, so there is nothing to be gained by not saying at the moment. Unless she does not know who will be running it.

I find this comment astonishing and quite vindictive on your part kindofcoping, you want Posie to announce who will be running this now when it is only at a very early stage of fundraising so they can be targeted immediately rather than later? If enough funds are not raised and the project doesn't go ahead that person will have been targeted and abused for nothing, lovely, all because you either don't like Posie or are miffed that Posie is drawing attention to the fact that the current set up is failing a lot of women and yet you still claim you know best.

No, Posie at this stage does not need to say who will be running a project that is still in the development stages, particularly a project what will be subject at every stage to unrelenting abuse and criticism.

@nosafeguardingadults I am so sorry you had such a bad experience. It takes a lot of bravery to reach out and when you do not get the response you need, then that is going to really knock you back.
I hope someone here can advise a place where you can get the help you need.