School Video. Words just can’t convey...

[ConcreteUnderpants]

For all those who PM’ed and wanted me to put it on its own thread.
Here you go.

This is the video my year 6 watched at school (without any consultation with parents)
I’m just speechless.

They were also told about Robert/a Cowell and puberty blockers were mentioned, although I’m not sure of those details.

Head and deputy are the safeguarding leads at the school, so where do I start with the Governors? Overwhelmed.

@yeahbutnaw

It's important to teach children to be tolerant and accepting.

That includes teaching them that LGBT people exist. As someone who was once an LGBT child, I'd have benefited greatly from knowing that I'm not "abnormal" and that there are others like me.

This video is great. More of this sort of thing.

Do you really not see the difference between teaching children that LGBT people exist, and teaching children that sex does not exist? Really?

If this video said “some people feel that their gender identity doesn’t match their sex, and those people are trans” I wouldn’t have the slightest issue.

No doctors or other medical professionals are assigning babies a gender.

Has everyone been contacted by their school on the RSE consultation? I am about to drop them a line but wanted to check where everyone else was.

Do you really not see the difference between teaching children that LGBT people exist, and teaching children that sex does not exist? Really?

If this video said “some people feel that their gender identity doesn’t match their sex, and those people are trans” I wouldn’t have the slightest issue.

^^ This.

The posters who are claiming they can see nothing wrong with this video which is deliberately lying to children and falls foul of the DoE guidelines need to take a good look at themselves.

This is a terrible video. Doctors observe sex, nobody is trying to discuss gender with babies. And doctors do not get the observation of sex wrong (and if anyone drag in intersex, can we just leave that??).

To tell children that they can be in the wrong body and that this can be corrected is effectively a lie. And it is a dangerous lie.

If you are born male, you can never completely transition, you can never bear children and you will be on medication for the rest of your life to maintain whatever changes you make.

If you are born female, you can never completely transition and you will never father children. You will also be on medication for the rest of your life.

For both groups, any bottom surgery is painful, hugely invasive and will never be able to visually replicate the genitalia of the opposite sex.

I do understand that transition sometimes may be a considered choice for very dysphoric individuals and that it may enable them to feel better. I respect that and I wish those individuals well. But it comes with a lot of downsides, a lot of medication and needs to be very carefully considered.

To give children any kind of an impression that this is an easy fix is beyond irresponsible.

I think they should just teach acceptance of everyone, go against bullying and focus on the academics.

Justcameout Dd's school have done their consultation but the school I teach at haven't yet. If you're IN England it needs to be done before the end of the academic year.

@yeahbutnaw

It's important to teach children to be tolerant and accepting.

That includes teaching them that LGBT people exist. As someone who was once an LGBT child, I'd have benefited greatly from knowing that I'm not "abnormal" and that there are others like me.

This video is great. More of this sort of thing.

But that isn't what this is saying.

@KittyValentine

Blaire White did a video a few years ago about the crap that Lindsey and her teddy are spouting.

Blaire's video:

Blaire refers to a video on Linday's personal channel called 'Are all kids queer' which would have been an interesting to watch, except all the videos on her own channel have since been deleted.

Words fail me.

Crap needs challenging.

I had to take my dd to an appointment in the mental health department. I was given a leaflet and I asked about certain things on it. Was told to ignore as it was just something the not uk company say. I pulled them up on it and they seemed very surprised.

I get sex and gender confused as tbh it has only recently come up in my life. I thought they were the same. I have given birth and I am a woman. I know no different. But no idea if I would say my sex is female or my gender is female. I don't want this cis nonsense. Nonsense to me.

If anyone wanted to explain the difference it would be appreciated. If you don't know you don't know.

I would raise a formal complaint through the school's complaint process and follow through each stage (through to, hopefully, a panel with two governors and an external person) potentially right through to reporting to DofE. Also, write to all the governors and ask for your letter to be sent to each and every governor (so you are not just blocked by the Chair).

What we need is more LGB education in all schools e.g. making sure children know bro g lesbian or gay means same sex attracted

And an awful lot less gender ‘I like football, fancy girls and hate skirts therefore I must be a boy even though I’m a girl’ utter nonsense

@jellyfrizz

Do you really not see the difference between teaching children that LGBT people exist, and teaching children that sex does not exist? Really?

If this video said “some people feel that their gender identity doesn’t match their sex, and those people are trans” I wouldn’t have the slightest issue.

^^ This.

Absolutely

(Should probably say I haven’t seen the video)

What a load of old bollocks. I'd be furious!

Thanks God my dc are old enough not to be force fed this jargonistic tripe.

@RoyalCorgi

The video teaches an obvious and bare-faced lie, namely that doctors assign gender at birth. We all know that that isn't true. Why are they pretending that it is?

Most of the time it isn't even a doctor, it's a midwife who observes the sex at birth in England. Could be different in the presenter's country. It was a midwife for all my 3.

FFS I would go through the roof what the hell are the school thinking?!

And who the hell watched that & thought it was aimed at 10 yr olds. I pity the poor biology teacher!

Also (I know it's not really the point) why is the board "LGQT" whilst she keeps saying LGBT - seems like so long as T is the fourth letter it doesn't matter who you erase

It used to be that religious zealots and cultish ideologues home educated their children in order to prevent them from learning the truth about science, sex and biology in school.

Have we now reached a point where perfectly sane, non-ideological, rational people are going to home educate their children in order that they can learn the truth about science, sex and biology?

We are hurtling towards a place where it's the norm for state schools to push an ideology that flies in the face of scientific and biological fact onto our children. Ironically, anyone wanting rationality, fact and truth for their child is going to have to keep them away.

Erm, that video is quite something! OP, it makes you wonder who in the school chose/approved this as a good idea.

About the PP who mentioned school policies. In the defence of parents', I think schools have so many policies for everything that it wouldn't even occur to the parents to ask. Until something like this crops up.

I often wonder about the kind of stuff school (Y7) is teaching my DC in PHSE or whatever it's called these days. Unless DC tells me, I have now way of knowing. I find that unsettling.

Are schools not consulting enough with parents? Too much? Not on the right things?

Most of the time it isn't even a doctor, it's a midwife who observes the sex at birth in England. Could be different in the presenter's country. It was a midwife for all my 3

Not forgetting its very often discovered by a sonographer from about 18 weeks gestation onwards...much earlier if someone has an amnio.

Certainly puzzling when the video says the doctors are wrong.

I become more and more relieved that dd is no longer at school.
I become more and more dispirited that this nonsense is happening.
I am very worried about what the world would be like for dd when she leaves Uni and has to negotiate all this shit directly. The implications for her society's attitude to women is horrifying.

@ConcreteUnderpants

Short to the point, no real ranting. Will Cc Governors in to email.

Well done, get the ball rolling and depending on the response you could submit a formal complaint and escalate this to governor level.

You could also complain directly to OFSTED to point out where it directly contravene statutory guidance.

If you haven't already I would seek any further advice from SSA, though I see they were mentioned upthread. You can also withdraw your child from RSE and raise the alarm with other parents prior to the meeting on RSE you mentioned later this week - is that as part of the parental consultation process?

The video is horrendous, I've seen it before. At least you're on it now, you know and you can try to undo its messages with your child.

I have a seven year old granddaughter and I would be appalled at the thought that she had watched this. Words fail me. This whole trans thing has gone way beyond acceptable. 'Doctors are wrong!' How dare they!
The problem is, I don't know how this situation can be rectified. The children have already seen it. They can't unsee it, so although a complaint is in order, I don't know what the school can do now.