EHRC cuts ties with Stonewall.

[Novina]

Has anyone else seen this? From Sex Matters:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/press-release-equality-and-human-rights-commission-cuts-ties-with-stonewall

[RedDogsBeg]

When did the UK taxpayers agree to fund a political lobbying organisation that falsifies the Law?

When did the UK electorate vote into power a political lobbying group that falsifies the Law and deems itself powerful and untouchable enough to do so without sanction?

Stonewall needs to be removed immediately from all Government departments and publicly funded institutions. It's appalling that judicial organisations and the police are tied to an organisation that falsifies the law, the public didn't vote for this nor do they want to fund it.

[NecessaryScene1]

Acceptance without exception

Wouldn't be so bad, but coupled with "get over it", it's a bullying "you will accept us" without any reciprocal "we will accept you".

[NecessaryScene1]

Surely, even if you're just thinking in terms of numbers, it makes absolutely no logical sense at all.

Ah, but it does. There are an awful lot more straight people out there.

Just as old-school homosexual transsexuals are outnumbered by straight males who want to role-play as women, homosexuals as a whole are outnumbered by non-homosexuals who who want to be "queer", or want to role-play as "queer allies".

There is more scope for growth if you don't focus on the tiny homosexual minority.

[NecessaryScene1]

@FannyCann

Whaaat?? Her case has been pushed forward a year? I missed that! WTF.

On the positive side though, it was to find a big enough time slot. They've allocated 20 days (4 weeks) of court time.

[Barracker]

I understand the frustration that the EHRC hasn't provided satisfaction with a more fulsome and frank explanation of the reasons behind severed ties with Stonewall.

However, this way is clever, and possibly more useful.

EHRC has provided a benign no-fault divorce template to all organisations. Allowing them to each 'review their budgets' and decide how better to get 'value for money'. This approach will likely result in more organisations making the break, than a self-flagellating mea culpa would.

It might be less satisfying, but it's probably more effective in achieving the overall aim. When Stonewall's protection racket is significantly weakened, then we'll start to see some stronger statements condemning them.

For now, let's see how those 'budget reviews' pan out.

[MiladyBerserko]

'Budget Review' is my favourite new euphemism

[BrizzleGirl]

Fantastic news!

[NecessaryScene1]

'Budget Review' is my favourite new euphemism

Didn't it used to be "no-one ever got fired for buying IBM" (or some other "safe" brand). Until recently it's been "no-one ever got fired for signing up to that Stonewall scheme".

It would be good if the new wisdom was "no-one ever got fired for letting Stonewall membership lapse in the budget review".

[Tibtom]

Acceptance without exception

Isn't this a distillation of queer theory? Everything and everybody is accepted. Barrier must be removed. Norms destroyed.

No exception means paedophilia and harmful paraphillias too.

[Helleofabore]

Nancy Kelley has retweeted this embarrassingly unprofessional tweet. So even the CEO is endorsing this style of SM comms?!

That is probably going to come back and haunt her at the worst time possible.

I does seem that some trans activists who support groups like SW who are in positions looking after communications have developed a habit of posting in this mocking way. It simply adds to the perception that there is a lack of professionalism, and the lack of ability to critically think issues though.

[Tibtom]

Barracker I disagree because precisely who this organisation is and the role they play. EHRC are precisely the ones who should be holding Stonewall to account. They are the ones who should be funding Maya's court action and Allison's too. They should be out there saying 'Stonewall's training misrepresents the law and following their edicts for their champions scheme is contrary to your public sector equality duty.'. That is what EHRC is for.

[allmywhat]

@NecessaryScene1

Acceptance without exception

Wouldn't be so bad, but coupled with "get over it", it's a bullying "you will accept us" without any reciprocal "we will accept you".

I don’t know, I think Acceptance without exception is pretty awful on its own. Have thought that ever since I first heard of J. Yaniv. And the roll call of those who ought to be exceptions seems to grow by the day.

It’s morally mandating us to disregard our own instincts even around dangerous men. Absolutely horrible slogan.

[Helleofabore]

EHRC has provided a benign no-fault divorce template to all organisations. Allowing them to each 'review their budgets' and decide how better to get 'value for money'. This approach will likely result in more organisations making the break, than a self-flagellating mea culpa would.

It is a very wise PR move for the EHRC. It sends the message that there is little value in Stonewall anymore to all organisations who have invested in Stonewall to be certified.

When combined with the not so subtle position that the Baroness stated last weekend that women have every right to ask questions and have discussions and that women deserve answers, it is far better than making a grand statement that can be misconstrued and make EHRC a target for being another 'hate organisation' and no longer credible.

[HecatesCatsInFancyHats]

The Baroness is doing good work. Thank goodness for Baronesses (never thought I'd say that).

[BettyFilous]

@WineAcademy

I think it's worth considering how patterns of abuse in domestic life are replicated in the political sphere. This podcast examines the issue:

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/resistance-radio-guest-josh-slocum/id723644446?i=1000512945534

"This is not about trans, it's not about feeding impoverished children, it's not about women's rights....what they want is control...obedience...performative obdience....What they want you to do, is for you to ... speak the lie [in front of other people]"

This was a very interesting podcast. Thank you for posting it. The discussion helped me to understand my reservations about the way the ideology is being enforced.

[ProudExclu]

@WeeTorag I’d just been reading this to my partner and he literally said the same as you and he thinks it will happen now. Especially with lockdown lifting. One thing I think has given the TRAs a false perception and confidence is that we’ve all essentially been living online.

Having left my abusive trans ex it’s only with social restrictions lifting that I’ve realised the world I got dragged into was a kid of shit and doesn’t exist beyond their woke Facebook groups.

[NecessaryScene1]

Isn't this a distillation of queer theory? Everything and everybody is accepted.

I think we need Mr Garrison to explain this:

part 1:
part 2:

[ProudExclu]

Load of shit* not kid of shit lmao.

[Cleanandpress]

Given how badly written and and inappropriate the letter from Stonewall's Trans Inclusion Director to Garden Court Chambers about Allison, this tweet doesn't surprise me at all. They seem to hire young inexperienced single issue people who are then given a free hand to act without any governance.

[nauticant]

For when Nancy Kelley quietly deletes her retweet:

archive.fo/wip/baTvq

[titchy]

@Tibtom

Barracker I disagree because precisely who this organisation is and the role they play. EHRC are precisely the ones who should be holding Stonewall to account. They are the ones who should be funding Maya's court action and Allison's too. They should be out there saying 'Stonewall's training misrepresents the law and following their edicts for their champions scheme is contrary to your public sector equality duty.'. That is what EHRC is for.

They couldn't legitimately do that whilst being part of the champions scheme though.

[RedDogsBeg]

They couldn't legitimately do that whilst being part of the champions scheme though.

The EHRC left the Stonewall Diversity Scheme at the end of March 2021.

The EHRC intervened in Maya Forstater's Appeal at the end of April 2021.

Coincidence?