Should Muslim women be forced to give beauty treatments to males?

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"Unisex salon stand by their decision to REJECT a gender-fluid singer from a nail appointment - because they thought they were 'a man' so Muslim beautician objected"

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9601197/Nail-salon-refuse-manicure-gender-fluid-singer-beautician-Muslim.html

I can't find anything on their website which says manicures are only for women- maybe I missed the small print but the website has pictures of men and offers massage and waxing for men.

I can't find anything on their web site that says that their beauty services are unisex. It does seem to be a unisex hair studio but not unisex beauty services. Important distinction.

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Their Treat well site is pretty clear it’s female only. I can’t help but think they’ve been deliberately targeted.

I messaged the studio on social media giving my support and got a lovely message back. I also know where I’ll be going for my next lot of treatments.

Also, manicures and pedicures are different services from waxing and massages so it is not unlikely that the services are provided by different people.

Completely agree without most posters that the female Muslim beautician should not have to serve Male customer. I also think it’s reasonable for her to have only expected female customers as the majority of customers especially in suburban salons I imagine are women. And his publicity shots almost do make it seem like he has been waiting for an opportunity to get media attention. But Andrea is a mans name in Italy, to those saying he booked under a woman’s name to be deceitful, it may just be his name. Sounds like the salon could have been more polite but also like even if they had he would have been outraged and gone to press/social media. And not everyone understands or is aware of gender woo!

@AlfonsoTheTerrible

I can't find anything on their website which says manicures are only for women- maybe I missed the small print but the website has pictures of men and offers massage and waxing for men.

I can't find anything on their web site that says that their beauty services are unisex. It does seem to be a unisex hair studio but not unisex beauty services. Important distinction.

Oh come on- that's pretty disingenuous. The site , hair and beauty, to me, anyway looks unisex. If part of it is female only it should say so.

@MissBarbary

166stylestudio.co.uk/index.php/features/2013-11-08-11-53-34/2016-03-14-15-05-27

Where does it say on the studio's website that manicure is for women only?

They offer body waxes for men and their website definitely looks as if it is genuinely unisex.

Where do you see on their web site that they offer body waxes for men?

@Callmejudith

Their Treat well site is pretty clear it’s female only. I can’t help but think they’ve been deliberately targeted.

I messaged the studio on social media giving my support and got a lovely message back. I also know where I’ll be going for my next lot of treatments.

Is it? I looked at them on Treatwell - all it said was "Ladies Manicure" - that could be referring to a style as well as the person. I didn't see any warnings about it being "x" only.

Would you say the same for a female muslim doctor?

Not if she was employed by the NHS. Nor should a person who won’t touch the opposite sex be trained by UK medical schools with NHS resources. But if someone like that had completed their medical training elsewhere and wanted to set up a private practice here, why not?

We expect doctors to be willing to give emergency care to anyone in certain situations, say before paramedics have a chance to turn up and a doctor just happens to be around in an emergency situation.

So if a doctor had an absolute rule against treating men, yeah, that's a problem.

I'm not sure what the rules are if a GP in private practice just wanted to have women for patients. Maybe that's allowed.

This is quite different imo from the abortion issue. I don't think people should have to be involved in abortions; although again, if it goes wrong, and a doctor is needed for an emergency situation then that's different.

Oh come on- that's pretty disingenuous. The site , hair and beauty, to me, anyway looks unisex. If part of it is female only it should say so.

What it looks to you is irrelevant. You stated "the website has pictures of men and offers massage and waxing for men".

I don't see anything on the web site that states massages and waxing are for men. I see a photograph of a man having a massage and a photograph of a man under the category "gents". The information there refers to haircuts.

I have seen other posters describe the site as "unisex hair salon" not "unisex beauty salon". There is an important distinction and it's not disingenuous to point that out - it's crucial.

Again, a massage therapist will have different training from a nail technician, therefore it is possible that these services are provided by different people.

Where do you see on their web site that they offer body waxes for men?

It's very clearly there. It's on services, beauty, men's wax.

166stylestudio.co.uk/index.php/features/2013-11-08-11-53-34/2016-03-14-15-05-24

I don't think Muslim women (or anyone, come to think of it) should be forced into doing something which goes so fundamentally against their morals or beliefs.

Nor should anybody be forced into doing something against their will because of someone else's morals or beliefs.

Persuaded maybe, but not forced into it.

Here's a screenshot

Is it? I looked at them on Treatwell - all it said was "Ladies Manicure" - that could be referring to a style as well as the person. I didn't see any warnings about it being "x" only.

There is no such thing as a "ladies style" manicure. Any reasonable person would see a salon offering "ladies manicure" and understand that the service is for women.

Thanks! I didn't see that on the web site.

Why is it always "men" who go into women's spaces and kick up a fuss about it???
I've read on here about women going yo men's barbers and being told no. They don't run to the tabloids. They don't cause a stink. They don't try to encourage people to ruin the business. Always men. Doesn't matter how much lipstick they put on or what pronouns they decide to use.

That is so odd - when I look at the web site I see only a list of waxing services but nothing that relates to men. I can't find anything that relates to massages for men, either. Under "gents" I see only haircuts.

They offer men's massage too. Heres the screenshot

The screenshot for manicures says nothing about it being women only.

@AlfonsoTheTerrible

That is so odd - when I look at the web site I see only a list of waxing services but nothing that relates to men. I can't find anything that relates to massages for men, either. Under "gents" I see only haircuts.

I don't know what site you are looking at. I'm looking at the site for Style Studio 166 Merton Road, Wimbledon. The website has the same logo as the shop front on the Daily Mail article.

It is very clearly unisex, has photos of men, offers male massage and wax and I can't find anything which says manicures are only for women.

Curioser and curioser. The "Book now" button takes one to Treatwell, not to the actual site itself. In other words, you can't book directly through the site for a treatment - you have to go through Treatwell.

On Style Studio's web site, it does not mention beauty services for men. However, on the Treatwell site, a wider range of services is offered. And under "Nails" on the Treatwell site mentions on "ladies" as does the "massage" category.

This is the URL of the site I am looking at: 166stylestudio.co.uk/index.php.

I'm not sure that's true. Legally, a manicurist refusing to perform a service on someone on the grounds that they were black, for example, would be on dodgy ground.

You would think so, yes.

Actually, the only profession today which gets away with a "no blacks" policy is prostitution. I guess that's such a grey area in the first place that the discrimination aspect is ignored.

The article in the Daily Mail states "unisex hair salon" not "unisex beauty salon" and "all massage treatments are female only".

This is the URL I am looking at www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9601197/Nail-salon-refuse-manicure-gender-fluid-singer-beautician-Muslim.html.

@AlfonsoTheTerrible

Oh come on- that's pretty disingenuous. The site , hair and beauty, to me, anyway looks unisex. If part of it is female only it should say so.

What it looks to you is irrelevant. You stated "the website has pictures of men and offers massage and waxing for men".

I don't see anything on the web site that states massages and waxing are for men. I see a photograph of a man having a massage and a photograph of a man under the category "gents". The information there refers to haircuts.

I have seen other posters describe the site as "unisex hair salon" not "unisex beauty salon". There is an important distinction and it's not disingenuous to point that out - it's crucial.

Again, a massage therapist will have different training from a nail technician, therefore it is possible that these services are provided by different people.

The site clearly says massage and waxing is available for men. Fgs - the home page has a photo of a man getting a massage. Why on earth have a random photo of that if it's not a service they offer?

Here's a screenshot of the services offered- including men's waxing.

[quote AlfonsoTheTerrible]The article in the Daily Mail states "unisex hair salon" not "unisex beauty salon" and "all massage treatments are female only".

This is the URL I am looking at www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9601197/Nail-salon-refuse-manicure-gender-fluid-singer-beautician-Muslim.html.[/quote]
So what? The actual website of the salon very clearly offers waxing for men; doesn't specify manicures are women only and offers massage for men (although apparently one poster here , bizarrely,
thinks the photo of a man getting a massage doesn't mean they offer men massages- by that argument they might as well have a photo of a poodle being clipped because they don't do poodle clipping)