Should Muslim women be forced to give beauty treatments to males?

[HecatesCatsInFancyHats]

"Unisex salon stand by their decision to REJECT a gender-fluid singer from a nail appointment - because they thought they were 'a man' so Muslim beautician objected"

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9601197/Nail-salon-refuse-manicure-gender-fluid-singer-beautician-Muslim.html

I worked quite a bit in the Middle East. Men didn’t shake my hand. They respected my opinions, we had good working relationships and they emailed me Happy Christmas. I wished them happy Eid.

For the people here who think that the Muslim woman should just have done this male’s nails, do you also think that I should have insisted on shaking hands with my Middle Eastern colleagues?

As a side note, there was one Muslim woman we had a meeting with. I did shake her hand. She didn’t shake my male, British colleagues hands. Should they have made a fuss as well?

If a man won't sit next to a woman on a flight, then he has the option to get off the flight or ensure he books a seat next to male friends. What he can't do is insist that the woman sat next to him has to move or get off the flight. He has every right not to want to sit next to a woman. He can want all he likes. He has no right to dictate what the woman does. Airlines don't operate on a sex segregated seating basis. If, on a particular flight, they can move him, great. If they can't, they wouldn't be discriminating against him. They can't ask the woman to move to accommodate him.

@bonfireheart

It seems like he/she/they booked using Treatwell. I have used treatwell lots of times. It clearly states when a service is for women only. When you click to pay it reminds you again "x beautician only does x treatment on women" and they you pay if you wish to proceed. Which means he/she/they will have known before booking so makes me wonder... also considering their social media profile and how important their appearance to them, am surprised he/she/they were booking to get their nails done in a salon they didn't know about, had been to before and tbh looks a bit grubby from the pics. Again makes me wonder if this was done on purpose... why when their name is Andrea would salon ring to confirm their gender? Am assuming he/she/they did something to alert them to their gender on purpose...

Does it say that? I didn’t see any of that. I didn't add payment details so possibly this warning comes up only once credit card details are inserted.

Perhaps they should employ a male manicurist. Straight/gay/trans aside it's not that uncommon these days for young men to have a manicure. I don't think they can actually claim to be a unisex salon if they object to having male customers.

@TedImgoingmad

Andrea is Italian. Andrea is a man's name in Italy.

Which part of my post didn't cover that?

I was actually agreeing with you , but if you want to be prickly and nit- picking you didn't mention Andrea is Italian.

No woman should be forced to touch a man, whether she's muslim, jewish, Christian, Jedi or atheist. We can offer female only services. We can say no. No is a complete sentence.

Answer: no. Nobody should be forced to give treatment to anyone, unless it's life-saving.

Echoes of the JY cases here. No women should be forced into anything they don’t feel comfortable with, especially by an entitled arse

166stylestudio.co.uk/index.php/features/2013-11-08-11-53-34/2016-03-14-15-05-27

Where does it say on the studio's website that manicure is for women only?

They offer body waxes for men and their website definitely looks as if it is genuinely unisex.

The same way you know someone is vegan. They tell you ... immediately.

Actually, I imagine it is more they take offense at stupid comments like this.

It'd would be really great if people stopped equating veganism with gender ideology. Vegans life choices don't negatively impact on other people's sex based rights.

@Nancylovesthecock

Oh I see, now I've read the article it's typical male entitlement and privilege.

No one performing personal care services of any kind is obliged to do so on ANYONE for ANY reason. ANY REASON AT All wether man, woman or llama.

Get back in your box, prick.

Love your last sentence. I might make a tshirt with that slogan on it - would save me repeating it day after day (or so it seems I need to).

@ZeusandClio

No woman should be forced to touch a man, whether she's muslim, jewish, Christian, Jedi or atheist. We can offer female only services. We can say no. No is a complete sentence.

Indeed but at the same time they shouldn't be advertising their services as Unisex.

Tibtom

thanks - i thought id managed to mangle your logic.

Indeed but at the same time they shouldn't be advertising their services as Unisex.

They aren't.

@AlfonsoTheTerrible

Indeed but at the same time they shouldn't be advertising their services as Unisex.

They aren't.

It's how they're marketed... Style Studio is a modern unisex hair salon a short walk from South Wimbledon station. Knowledgeable, experienced stylists work attentively with you to make your hair what you want it to be. There’s also a menu of beauty treatments and massages Even their web page has an image of a man getting a massage (a bit more intimate than nails)

12:11BigFatLiar

ZeusandClio

No woman should be forced to touch a man, whether she's muslim, jewish, Christian, Jedi or atheist. We can offer female only services. We can say no. No is a complete sentence.

Indeed but at the same time they shouldn't be advertising their services as Unisex.

The beautician's services are advertised as single-sex. The hairdresser is unisex.

No one performing personal care services of any kind is obliged to do so on ANYONE for ANY reason. ANY REASON AT All wether man, woman or llama.

I'm not sure that's true. Legally, a manicurist refusing to perform a service on someone on the grounds that they were black, for example, would be on dodgy ground.

@Nancylovesthecock

Yes it is. If the person providing the personal service has a reason for not wanting to. No person is obliged to touch another in ANY CAPACITY for ANY REASON.

This absolutely.

@AlfonsoTheTerrible

Indeed but at the same time they shouldn't be advertising their services as Unisex.

They aren't.

I can't find anything on their website which says manicures are only for women- maybe I missed the small print but the website has pictures of men and offers massage and waxing for men.

@MissBarbary

166stylestudio.co.uk/index.php/features/2013-11-08-11-53-34/2016-03-14-15-05-27

Where does it say on the studio's website that manicure is for women only?

They offer body waxes for men and their website definitely looks as if it is genuinely unisex.

When you go to the link to book in Treatwell, it refers to ‘ladies’ nail services, and also has men’s wax services separate from ladies.

It’s a bit inconsistent, but makes it fairly obvious that the nail services are for ‘ladies’.

According to the following, nail treatments are for "Ladies" only.

style-studio-wimbledon.mytreatwell.co.uk/services.html

Here it says - "All massage treatments are female only"

style-studio-wimbledon.mytreatwell.co.uk/

Sorry, cross posted.

@RoyalCorgi

No one performing personal care services of any kind is obliged to do so on ANYONE for ANY reason. ANY REASON AT All wether man, woman or llama.

I'm not sure that's true. Legally, a manicurist refusing to perform a service on someone on the grounds that they were black, for example, would be on dodgy ground.

Correct, but as well we know, legally required is provision for single sex services, also provision for services to be limited according to religious grounds. So in this instance, a female can refuse to perform an intimate service on a male, because he’s male, or because she’s Muslim.

The problem with that is it could be interpreted in the same way it says 'girls toys' over the doll aisle ie services that are stereotypically female rather than only available to women.

The beautician's services are advertised as single-sex.

Then why portray a man getting a massage or offer in their list male waxing? Looking at their price list/booking they seem to not know as some are ladies only and some not They seem happy to allow male massage and male waxing and many other services don't state any sex restriction.