A thoughtful and beautifully illustrated booklet for Detransitioners

[Wandawomble]

genderreport.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Detrans_Booklet_EN.pdf

Worth sharing with any detransitioners in your life.

Love it! thanks fir sharing it!

That is excellent as a research document as well! It should be shared with a range of social workers, therapists and the like.

This deserves to be bumped.

Oh thank for for this link :)

A booklet for detransitioners is such a great idea, and I was optimistic when I clicked on the link.

Unfortunately, it's extremely limited and somewhat misleading. It fails to address the main cause of detransition which is essentially transphobia, and it also fails to mention re-transition which is what the majority of detransitioners do. None of the claims in the booklet are referenced with science.

In a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality, 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, but 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them. Unfortunately, this booklet is only for that 0.4% which leaves all the other detransitioners in the dark.

www.ustranssurvey.org/reports

I would encourage the authors to re-write the booklet - by all means keep the examples it currently contains, but give the full picture, otherwise people will just accuse you of pedalling a particular agenda rather than trying to help detransitioners in general.

This looks really interesting. I'm so pleased to see that it's written by two women detransitioners given the shocking rise in the UK of teenage girls reaching puberty and deciding they don't want to be women any more.
The more support and information these girls get, the better. Especially from women like them who struggled with growing up as opposed to all the groups run by middle aged adults who retain all their body parts while insisting that drugs and surgery is best for children.

Thanks OP, it's beautifully written, these women are inspiring

and these stories are important because they tell us what happened to them in their own words. no dogma. no lecturing. simple truth.:

"Because I didn’t see myself in
other girls, I felt like my body
was wrong. I began struggling
with depression and anxiety
and it was soon after this that
I discovered the online trans
community, who enabled my
feelings of self-hatred and led
me to believe that transitioning
was the cure to all my
problems. "

I think you may be missing the reasons why some girls choose to transition in the first place @Shizuku. Could it possibly be that they feel oppressed by the notion of gender stereotypes which dont seem to fit them.

@mollythemeerkat

I think you may be missing the reasons why some girls choose to transition in the first place *@Shizuku*. Could it possibly be that they feel oppressed by the notion of gender stereotypes which dont seem to fit them.

That could certainly happen, and should be included in any booklet about detransition. I'm saying include all the reasons - not just the ones that fit a particular narrative. Surely you agree with that?

quillette.com/2020/01/02/the-ranks-of-gender-detransitioners-are-growing-we-need-to-understand-why/

Another take on 2015 survey

The authors make it very clear that this booklet is a) based on responses to a survey of 75 detransitions and b) to counter that overwhelming narrative within the trans community @Shizuku that reasons for detransitioning are because of internalised transphobia or that they are only detransitioning temporarily. So either you haven't read the booklet properly or you're dismissing their voices.

Either way, it's pretty poor.

It's a beautifully produced guide - I hope it provides comfort to those people who feel that they've been pushed down a road they didn't want to go down and that connecting with others who have been in their position is healing.

With respect Shizuku maybe you should consider writing your own publication? Perhaps some of the time you spend on here correcting women could be used to produce some evidenced literature? Just a thought.

It fails to address the main cause of detransition which is essentially transphobia, and it also fails to mention re-transition which is what the majority of detransitioners do. None of the claims in the booklet are referenced with science.
This ^^ is making stuff up...

@Clymene

The authors make it very clear that this booklet is a) based on responses to a survey of 75 detransitions and b) to counter that overwhelming narrative within the trans community *@Shizuku* that reasons for detransitioning are because of internalised transphobia or that they are only detransitioning temporarily. So either you haven't read the booklet properly or you're dismissing their voices.

Either way, it's pretty poor.

It's a beautifully produced guide - I hope it provides comfort to those people who feel that they've been pushed down a road they didn't want to go down and that connecting with others who have been in their position is healing.

" narrative within the trans community @Shizuku that reasons for detransitioning are because of internalised transphobia or that they are only detransitioning temporarily."

Those are some of the more common reasons people detransition. The biggest one as far as I know is the transphobia of other people. Why not include all the reasons and make a booklet that gives the whole picture and would be helpful to all detransitioners?

I mean it sounds rather like transphobia - wanting to avoid helping detransitioners who still see themselves as trans and might want to re-transition.

@GreyhoundG1rl

It fails to address the main cause of detransition which is essentially transphobia, and it also fails to mention re-transition which is what the majority of detransitioners do. None of the claims in the booklet are referenced with science. This ^^ is making stuff up...

Most trans people give outside pressures as the main cause of their detransition. Don't you believe them?

62% of detransitioners in the sruvery of 28,000 trans people retransitioned. That is a "majority".

None of the claims in the booklet are referenced with science. See booklet for confirmation.

@persistentwoman

With respect Shizuku maybe you should consider writing your own publication? Perhaps some of the time you spend on here correcting women could be used to produce some evidenced literature? Just a thought.

Have you noticed anyone here correcting me (a woman)? Just wondering.

Just bumping this again

The book states:

People only detransition because of discrimination

^‘Detransitioning is not a result of societal pressure,
it’s a personal decision that we make because we were looking for a solution where we wouldn’t find one and that’s okay. People change and grow every day and detransitioning doesn’t make us transphobic or “converted” or whatever, we’re just learning and growing.’ Female desister, 19^

‘People may detransition because transition didn’t work well enough, it caused health issues, it wasn’t satisfying, their dysphoria desisted, etc. Those are infinitely more common reasons than the supposed “lack of support, societal transphobia, misdiagnosis” explanation that people like to use to delegitimise us and our concerns for dysphoric people.’ Female detransitioner, 19

While I am sure that your study was relevant to the USA and in the lead up to 2015, may I suggest that you take into consideration that this book is published by European transitioners and many of them are recent detransitioners from a cohort that I would expect to be a little different to the USA cohort included in that study.

We have discussed the major differences in the demographics of transitioners now to previous cohorts before on different threads. What is hugely important, is to make sure that these detransitioner's voices are never minimised as they are more representative of that current cohort.

All detransitioner stories are important. Every single one.

The quotes here in this book are certainly from young teens who have a different experience to that which you are stating.

The fact also that they are also female detransitioners that are representative of the majority of young transitioners in the UK means that their voice should not be minimised or handwaved as 'not relevant to this USA study from 2015'.

Mind you, that 8+% figure does fit with that European long term study you posted a few times that showed male and female detransition. Maybe we should correlate any information about those detransitioners into this thread as well. That study certainly did not make a point it talking about retransition either, so maybe retransition is something that is more prevalent in the USA than elsewhere.

I didn't realise you were a woman, Shizuku. Have you transitioned? That's a personal question, so feel free to ignore.

I really hope MN stays a safe space where detransitioning can be openly discussed without fear of a minority closing it down because it doesn't fit their narrative.

You really don't get it do you Shiz?

They don't need more cognitive dissonance.

And there's no detransitioner there talking about transphobia being the reason why. I've also not seen it mentioned on any detrans videos or on twitter.

Wandawomble

thanks Wanda for posting this. I remember when Nelle and Ellie (might have their names mixed up) starting reaching out to other detransitioners. They seem very brave and open and honest. I am so glad that they are building a community for support.

And this book is beautifully illustrated too. It is well worth a read whatever your point of view.

And there's no detransitioner there talking about transphobia being the reason why. I've also not seen it mentioned on any detrans videos or on twitter.

I suspect that the fact that this is about European detransitioners is wholly relevant compared to a USA study. Entirely different approaches to transition and over all health care must account for a great deal.