A thoughtful and beautifully illustrated booklet for Detransitioners

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genderreport.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Detrans_Booklet_EN.pdf

Worth sharing with any detransitioners in your life.

@Shizuku

A booklet for detransitioners is such a great idea, and I was optimistic when I clicked on the link.

Unfortunately, it's extremely limited and somewhat misleading. It fails to address the main cause of detransition which is essentially transphobia, and it also fails to mention re-transition which is what the majority of detransitioners do. None of the claims in the booklet are referenced with science.

In a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality, 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, but 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them. Unfortunately, this booklet is only for that 0.4% which leaves all the other detransitioners in the dark.

www.ustranssurvey.org/reports

I would encourage the authors to re-write the booklet - by all means keep the examples it currently contains, but give the full picture, otherwise people will just accuse you of pedalling a particular agenda rather than trying to help detransitioners in general.

Not for a second were you optimistic about it.
The main cause of detransition is not transphobia - it's growing out of a limited (an immature) mindset which buys into gender stereotypes.

People will accuse you of pedalling a particular agenda rather than trying to help confused young people avoid unnecessary hormones and surgery.

I think that's true Helleofabore.

This is an extract from the account of a UK desister, who desisted after 2017.

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When I was 15, undiagnosed autistic, and surrounded by trans culture online, it was easy to conclude that Imusthave a male brain because I had typically male patterns of thinking. I also struggled with body image issues, and I felt totally at home in the insular trans community that I had found online. Factor into that my tomboyish childhood, the fact I grew up with entirely male friend groups, and that I had been getting mistaken for a boy throughout my life (even with hair down to my hips), and I had all the evidence I needed that I was a boy in a girl’s body. I came out as trans at 16 and stayed that way until I was 21.

I didn’t medically transition, unless you count the medicine I bought online that made me grow facial hair, which I don’t as its effects were so easily reversed. My social transition consisted of me legally changing my name, changing pronouns, and trying in every way that I could to pass as a teenage boy. Because I couldn’t buy a binder, I bound my chest in extremely unsafe ways, including (to my current self’s horror) with duct tape and gaffer tape.

"My ASD diagnosis explained the non-normative behaviors I had been showing my whole life in a way that the Gender Dysphoria diagnosis never quite could."

It was my ASD diagnosis in 2017 that made me begin to put all the parts together and realize I had made the wrong decision about transitioning. My ASD diagnosis explained the non-normative behaviors I had been showing my whole life in a way that the Gender Dysphoria diagnosis never quite could. It truly changed my life and saved me from doing something I would certainly have regretted. After I got diagnosed I began researching autism in females, which was what opened a whole Pandora’s box of doubts and second thoughts about transitioning, which eventually led to me desisting.

I began, for the first time, to question the entire philosophical basis of gender ideology, and to critically examine the transgender community. Before then I had never truly questioned any of the things I was reading about gender online, probably because I was so consumed by it. Once I stepped outside of that bubble, I began to realise that I had been sold a false step-by-step guide to self-actualization, and I think that’s what was so intoxicating to me about transition. It presented an opportunity to turn myself from this awkward, self-loathing autistic girl into a cool and confident man, and I couldn’t resist it. It’s not that I was being pressured into altering my body exactly, but I was always itching to take the “next step” up the ladder to eventually become that cool confident man I wanted to be.

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Have you noticed anyone here correcting me (a woman)? Just wondering

Shizuku this assertion is completely meaningless coming from you, seeing as your definition of 'woman' is 'anyone who says they're a woman.' There's no point telling us you're a woman when the way you use the word, it could just as well mean you're male. We're none the wiser because your usage of the word has rendered it meaningless.

Thanks purgatory. That is another good read.

Well thanks shizuku. Every time you post, it does give us a chance to bring extra support into our discussions. It really does make for a more informative thread.

@Shizuku, if you left your DNA at a crime scene, either as the perpetrator or as the victim, would the police conclude your DNA belonged to a biological male or a biological female?

[quote FuckingFabulous]@Shizuku, if you left your DNA at a crime scene, either as the perpetrator or as the victim, would the police conclude your DNA belonged to a biological male or a biological female? [/quote]
That might depend on how closely they look at the DNA:

www.abstractsonline.com/pp8/#!/4592/presentation/578abstract

"Conclusion: We identified genetic variants in 20 genes that may play a role in transgender identity. The most promising of these include variants of genes involved in neurologic development and sex hormone pathways. We will continue to enroll transgender patients and their families. We will also perform functional analysis to assess the extent that selected variants affect their respective pathways."

They'll look closely enough to distinguish male from female, as well you bloody know . The two biological sexes, remember? Nothing else matters.

@GreyhoundG1rl

They'll look closely enough to distinguish male from female, as well you bloody know . The two biological sexes, remember? Nothing else matters.

Which might mean going deeper than XX and XY.

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@GreyhoundG1rl

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That's not the most erudite argument.

No, it's not. I'm clearly not as clever as you.

Transgender identity isn't your biological sex

@Shizuku are you a politician? Only you have the same way of not actually answering a question that's put to you.

Thanks for sharing this publication!

XX and XY are DNA female and male sex. It isn't a case of going deeper. Biological sex has always and will always exist.

As I watch my DC go through puberty I cannot imagine them taking hormones to suppress themselves into a childlike state. With adults it's up to them, but children's development should not be experimented with.

Yes it’s a well thought out publication. Hopefully it will be available to detransitioners who could maybe avoid the life changing surgery that allows them no recourse to get back to their authentic bodies. Especially children who are so confused at that age.
Especially autistic children who are very vulnerable, especially around the time of puberty.

Wow, this booklet is amazing. How brilliant. I do hope it will help a lot of people. Thank you for posting.

It's beautiful. I see Nele is doing a Masters in Graphic Storytelling - I'm looking forward to seeing more of what she does.

What a wonderful resource this is. Elie and Nele are awesome 👏

Imagine the courage it takes to desist or detransition, and then to speak openly about it.

Any concept of gender identity is inherently social by nature. It is formed out of social and cultural factors, and it relies on social interaction and agreement to maintain itself.

Most trans people give outside pressures as the main cause of their detransition. Don't you believe them

Of course, but this inevitable. we live in a social world, not in one purely of our own making or imagination. When you construct a reality for yourself which flies in the face of observable or measurable reality you are inevitably going to meet with difficulty.

The world does not conform to any of our wishes or desires; or our feelings about ourself. Social life is a negotiation.

Glad people appreciate this. I think it is wonderful.

Most trans people give outside pressures as the main cause of their detransition. Don't you believe them

And when people rub up against reality, and the world at large, they tend to shift and change in their perceptions and their feelings about themselves. Feeling one thing, and then testing it out in real life and with other people is a different matter.

It's very brave of them to talk about detransitioning. Almost like leaving a religion or a cult where the remaining followers can be frightening.