Harvie hates women is trending on Twitter

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Following comments to a caller on a BBC radio show by Patrick Harvie, the leader of the Scottish Greens, it would seem that Harvie Hates Women is trending on twitter.

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1385282284853604356

What were the comments? Who is harvie..

I'm not in Scotland... Will look at the Twitter.

Leader - co-convenor - of the Scottish Greens. A poisonous misogynist.

He's the leader of the Scottish Greens and was appearing on BBC Radio with Stephen Jardine, I think it was. He was asked by a female caller why women should vote green given his support for the Hate Crimes Bill and opposition to the Forensic Services amendment which allowed women to ask for a female examiner in rape cases as well as other statements he's made. He said feminist groups in Scotland supported his view, that women who didn't were transphobes funded by the alt right and that women's spaces and sports should include all women and that includes transwomen. It seems to have caused a bit of a stir.

Fucking hell he made a hash of that

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000v97v

Listen from 57.20 it's only a couple mins.

His audible intake of breath when he was talking about rape victims being able to request a female doc when he just didn't know what the fuck to say.

The caller was brilliant. Thank you caller! (I think she was called Mo).

'He said feminist groups in Scotland supported his view, that women who didn't were transphobes funded by the alt right and that women's spaces and sports should include all women and that includes transwomen. It seems to have caused a bit of a stir.'

That's not what he said. I just listened to it.

Obviously a lot of transphobic groups aren't funded by the far right.

He said twaw
There is no conflict between this and women's rights
There is no room for transphbia
He didn't mention the alt right? From the bit I listened to

It was more. Calm down dear don't be silly. Everything is fine there is no issue for women. We're the lovely party of love. Pipe down. (And yes that is my take!).

archive.is/KGVIx

Potential SGP/SNP coalition, according to this article.

Can you expand on that pumpkin?

Which ones are/ aren't funded by the far right (example of each will do- UK based, Scottish even better), where the non funded ones get their money from.

I'd be interested to know what sort of groups you are thinking of as transphobic, so yes really interested.

Just listened.

Not to derail, but I note, he's copied Sturgeon's 'well, but, listen' followed by a swift change of subject. Same vocal patterns as Sturgeon. Interesting.

Mo was fantastic. So eloquent and incisive and right to the point.

Aha is it the Blair syndrome? His style was widely copied and still seen across the political divide!

Even though it was roundly dissected and also widely satirised!

Mo was v clear, strong, not diverted.

You can hear him panicking.

Saying women and the men who care about us was a very strong move.

The way all the politicians squirm with this is so telling. They don't believe it but they're happy to lie, and to fuck things up for women and girls, because that's the safer option.

And when did it become dangerous politically for even politicians who have been around for yonks, are well respected etc (not talking about this bloke obv) feel it is a genuine threat to their reputation and position to say. Male and female people have different needs and risks and sometimes that needs to be upheld (and that's what the sodding law says! In England and Wales anyway).

She's the strongest and most successful politico in Scotlnad right now, I suppose it's to be expected people will copy her style. I find it almost unbearable, now, tho. Supercilious, and once you see the tells it starts to wear really quickly

Totally, the pause before he says 'female' or 'woman' - you can hear his brain spinning. They have to translate reality into Newspeak in their heads, every time.

Not just a pause, an audible intake of breath.

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

Obviously a lot of transphobic groups aren't funded by the far right.

What are "transphobic groups"? Can you give an example that is relevant to current-day Scotland? Thanks.

The copying thing is funny.

Like I said Blair's style is still seen even though his style has been analysed, mocked etc. Yet they still do it!

I enjoy using words at work sometimes that are unusual but sound good.. I mean they fit the thing but I used to read a lot so have a reasonable vocab...

They propagate fast. I've done it in 3 jobs now I don't do it on purpose but time and again I say something and next minute the whole team is saying it then it spreads...

People don't realise they're doing it. It's subconscious. You'd think politicians these days would be more aware though :/

Mo was v clear, strong, not diverted.

She was excellent. It is notable that when a politician is a really asked about these issues that straightforwardly they are unable to answer.

And yes, Harvie hates women.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145917-A-response-to-Patrick-Harvie

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3839678-Patrick-Harvie-MSP-tweet-look-at-the-responses

Twitter isn't the real world.

That radio prog was the real world and Mo was a real person.

Have politicians forgotten that social media and especially those who use it heavily are a small subset?

Thank you Mo
Pissed off they did the usual cram it in at the end so we can cut off the discussion tactic.

Remember when journalists used to challenge politicians who lied and this was all green fields...

At least they're now allowing questions on it...

This is what I find crazy making about all this. We are told that sex and gender are entirely separate. Women then insist on sex based rights, which have nothing to do with gender. I believe the woman on the phone call, Mo, said something like 'we don't want to pick doctors based on gender, we want to pick female doctors, based on sex." Why do politicians not realise that this insistence that trans women are women is entirely besides the point? That is making a claim about their gender, not their sex. Women want to insist on their sex based rights being upheld, which runs on an entirely different track from gender based rights. What I find confusing is if taken literally, if sex and gender really are entirely separate, then there should be no clash. Females can keep having female only spaces and services, because this has nothing to do with gender rights but sex rights. But what we are seeing time and time again, despite insistence, is this conflation of sex with gender so that sex based rights get swallowed up by gender.

I know I know NiceGerbil but I’m in no mood to be grateful for crumbs we deserve ALL the cake! 🎂 🍰 🧁

Because it's gaslighting to say "of course sex and gender are different, no one is claiming they aren't" when they are clearly expecting gender identity to be prioritised over sex and it isn't "kind" to mention someone's sex. Even though it's totally different to gender. Or something.

Yes, Ereshkigalangcleg, we can't actually take their claims and arguments at face value so there can be no good faith discussion about this. They say 'sex and gender are different things. They don't clash." We say "oh good. So we will enforce our sex based rights then, as per the Equality Act. Female only spaces, sports and all that." And the response is "you nasty bigots. Trans women are women and should be in female only spaces." So we say "but sex has nothing to do with gender?" and the reply is "sex is complex and a spectrum, what about intersex conditions? Sex is a colonialist social construct, there's such a thing as female sexed brains." So then it seems that sex is actually really relevant to gender after all.