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Pronouns on BBC?

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thenonsensepotter · 21/04/2021 19:55

Watching Glow Up on iplayer and every time they show a contestants name on the screen their pronoun is included in brackets. I don't watch a lot of current TV, is this a proper "thing" now or just this one program?

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PotholeHellhole · 21/04/2021 23:49

Friends of the Earth did an entire twitter thread about people who menstruate, but they haven't (at the time of typing) once mentioned people who ejaculate. Hmm

Jillly · 21/04/2021 23:50

If more people are able to come out as trans why are none of the girls I was at school with doing so?
Some of us are still struggling with eating disorders and other mental health problems..
Not a single one of my peers is trans.
Why?

Enough4me · 21/04/2021 23:54

Just looked Pip Bunce up and yes, for a payrise on my ball-haver days, I could pull this off:
www.lgbtgreat.com/pips-bunce

LostToucan · 21/04/2021 23:56

Yeah, I’m a child of the 80s too, so that’s not really an argument.

Gay / lesbian / bi / transsexual (as it was then) certainly existed and whilst there was plenty of angst about it, there was none of this gender / cis / non-binary stuff.

Something got fucked up along the way.

Warmduscher · 22/04/2021 00:00

@Jillly

If more people are able to come out as trans why are none of the girls I was at school with doing so? Some of us are still struggling with eating disorders and other mental health problems.. Not a single one of my peers is trans. Why?
This is a question I’ve yet to see answered.

There is no explosion in numbers of late-transitioning women in the same way as late-transitioning males.

So it’s clearly not about it becoming more acceptable. It must be some other factor, about which I couldn't possibly speculate.

SisterClara · 22/04/2021 00:02

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Quaagars · 22/04/2021 00:02

@DietrichandDiMaggio

He always says pregnant people

It's like people say people who menstruate etc, but you never see reference to people with testicles or people who produce sperm.

See, I don't get this argument either People who menstruate. Can refer to women or trans men (yes I know, trans men biologically women before anyone starts) So why does anyone have a problem with trans men being included and not ignored? How is that comparable to trans women though? As in, your comment referring to testicles/sperm. Are they less able to be trans cos men? Less able to be trans as can't have a period? Surely you're trans regardless if you're a male or female trans person? Women who are biologically female but are trans men weren't born with testicles so won't need the checks that are there for male born people. People who menstruate is clearly more inclusive when it comes to trans men. Or should we just invalidate them and be like whatever, you're still a woman, as that's an arsehole move
Quaagars · 22/04/2021 00:04

@LostToucan

Yeah, I’m a child of the 80s too, so that’s not really an argument.

Gay / lesbian / bi / transsexual (as it was then) certainly existed and whilst there was plenty of angst about it, there was none of this gender / cis / non-binary stuff.

Something got fucked up along the way.

Yes, sexuality certainly existed, and as you say was a lot of "angst" about it - none of this gender cis non binary stuff though? Yes, you're right, but only because nobody ever really spoke about it back then, but when they did was only to take the piss out of. Doesn't mean it was any less a "thing."
Mewmin · 22/04/2021 00:05

Or, apparently, as per the NHS language guidance say females instead of people who menstruate?

AbsintheFriends · 22/04/2021 00:08

Doesn't mean it was any less a "thing."

I would say it absolutely, demonstrably and irrefutably was WAY less of a "thing". By at least 4000%.

Quaagars · 22/04/2021 00:13

By any less of a thing I mean it was still there, just because people didn't really know it existed didn't know it wasn't around.
Not sure where the 4000% comes from or is in relation to

AssassinatedBeauty · 22/04/2021 00:13

"Women and other people who menstruate" would do.

LostToucan · 22/04/2021 00:16

Yes, you're right, but only because nobody ever really spoke about it back then, but when they did was only to take the piss out of.
Doesn't mean it was any less a "thing

Really? I don’t remember any trans boys and trans girls at my secondary school. There were several people that came out as gay, but nobody came out as trans.

theThreeofWeevils · 22/04/2021 00:18

I'm with SisterClara on the narcissistic bollocks front, and I strongly object to compelled speech.

Got deleted for something I thought milder than the above, btw.

The BBC is beyond hope at the moment though, completely captured.

JackieLavertysWeirdVoice · 22/04/2021 00:18

@Quaagars

Do you have a link or a source for that? Just because more people may be identifying as trans now, doesn't mean that it's suddenly become a "problem", or an "endemic" or whatever. Just that there's more awareness now and people feel they're more able to be themselves!
Penny Mordaunt announced an investigation into it years ago. The Government Minister.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/04/2021 00:20

Just that there's more awareness now and people feel they're more able to be themselves!

It's surprising, then, that trans lobby groups are constantly saying how miserable they feel because of all the transphobia.

Quaagars · 22/04/2021 00:22

@LostToucan

Yes, you're right, but only because nobody ever really spoke about it back then, but when they did was only to take the piss out of. Doesn't mean it was any less a "thing

Really? I don’t remember any trans boys and trans girls at my secondary school. There were several people that came out as gay, but nobody came out as trans.

Exactly, like I said people didn't have the vocab in the 80s or the knowledge. Didn't mean trans people didn't exist. More like they learnt to not say anything, for fear of being thought weird or whatever.
AssassinatedBeauty · 22/04/2021 00:24

So why isn't there an explosion of older women now coming out as transgender, as there is now the vocabulary and knowledge?

Quaagars · 22/04/2021 00:32

How do you know there aren't many transgender older women out there?
Are you going by what you see on Twitter and MN and therefore what you see mainly on there must be true?

AssassinatedBeauty · 22/04/2021 00:34

Yes, I get all my facts from Twitter 🙄

Quaagars · 22/04/2021 00:37

I didn't say you did, which is why I said MN and Twitter as examples of social media
Add your own where you think you might "see" trans people.
Reddit?
Your own friends circle in RL?

Warmduscher · 22/04/2021 00:37

I think if there were as many high-profile older women as men transitioning, we’d be told about it.

Quaagars · 22/04/2021 00:40

I think if there were as many high-profile older women as men transitioning, we’d be told about it.
Why high profile, do they mean more?
Also. told by who?

ANewCreation · 22/04/2021 00:45

I met a psychiatrist a couple of years ago who did screening referrals for a GIC and asked how many heterosexual middle aged females they had ever referred.

One.

Apparently the patient’s husband did not like the thought of becoming a gay man...

Bodynegative · 22/04/2021 02:19

Thank heavens for some sense! I have 2 friends who are a lot younger than me and describe themselves as NB & they/them. They're both bi women who have been through trauma, go figure... If I was their age I imagine I would be the same. In my day we feminists campaigned for acceptance of differences in how we looked, behaved, our jobs etc. Today people are encouraged to change their bodies to try & fit a new set of gendered stereotypes & demand to be referred to as they wish while calling the rest of us "cis" without permission. It really annoys me.

More power to the puss! I am spartacat 🐱