Pronouns on BBC?

[thenonsensepotter]

Watching Glow Up on iplayer and every time they show a contestants name on the screen their pronoun is included in brackets. I don't watch a lot of current TV, is this a proper "thing" now or just this one program?

[PotholeHellhole]

I'm a bit bored of MN going in circles.

Let's cut to the chase. If 'woman' is a gender-term now, then what is the replacement sex term for adult female human beings, then?

The word female and male are most commonly used as adjectives, and using them as nouns for human beings
A) makes you sound like Quark (the Ferengi have a massively misogynistic culture), and,
B) is unclear. You could be talking about guinea pigs.


So what are our new words going to be?

[TuvoknotSpock]

I don't have any preferred pronouns so no idea what I would put should I be a contestant on TV, although my surname is John (and my first name is obviously foreign) so I'm totally used to "dear Mr John"

Fwiw the TW I know (and they are old school TW, before it became "cool") have all picked obviously feminine names.

[Scepticaltank]

You are now fluent in gender Mewmin. Have a pronoun.

[JackieLavertysWeirdVoice]

Can I replace pronouns with protected characteristics?

Hi. I'm Jackie Lavatory and my protected characteristics today are age, religious belief and sex.

[Quaagars]

I'm a bit bored of MN going in circles.

Same

[PotholeHellhole]

Then solve it. Square the circle. Invent new words.

[Mewmin]

Are transwomen really happy to be described as a male woman?

[askingrandomsonlinemighthelp]

@ASugarr If neither gender expression nor biology defines womanhood, what is this identity business all about?
I was born with a uterus and XX chromosomes. I'm quite feminine as in I like mascara and have long blond hair. I don't bake or sew or tilt my head a lot though. But my best friend wears a boilersuit all day, fixes cars, has a short-back-and-sides and never wears make-up. Everyone knows she's a woman though. Where does the identity come into it? I just am. My friend just is. We're women. Everyone knows we are. You can usually tell by looking at someone's face. I bet we'd get it right 99% of the time. We all know. We've always known. If trans women are women, why are they transing?

[Warmduscher]

I think we know why these conversations go in circles though.

I’ve been off in the gulag for a week and I’ve come back and it’s still wall to wall bullshit from certain quarters.

[Quaagars]

Clearly males can’t handle being called trans women as it draws attention to them not actually being women. By calling real women cis they can then use the argument that trans and cis is merely a descriptive term for the type of women.

I'd have thought rather than being thought of as a tantrum over "not being thought of as female" or whatever people want to portray on here (angry male? etc) more likely it's better to have a c**s descriptor for medical terms.
This coming from someone who originally heard the C word on here and thought WTF

[Quaagars]

First paragraph was supposed to be a quote

[askingrandomsonlinemighthelp]

@PotholeHellhole We could be She-Ras?

[AbsintheFriends]

It's got fuck-all to do with trans people. Preferred pronouns is all about privileged middle class heterosexual non-trans people trying to appropriate queer culture
*@MissLucyEyelesbarrow - would you mind to elaborate on this? I am truly interested

I believe this twitter thread from 2018 may be helpful in understanding the point about middle class identity privilege.

web.archive.org/web/20180315031511/https:/twitter.com/LucyLoveslife1/status/973852316787933184

[PotholeHellhole]

She-Ras, He-Men, women and men?

That could sort it! Speakers of languages other than English will have to sort out their own terminology.

[Katypyee]

That's awesome. Good on the BBC. Causes zero harm to anybody.

[Enough4me]

Do we need to add how we are feeling in too?

For example,
"I'm X, I'm a female woman, today feeling masculine, pronouns she/her. In tomorrow's meeting I'll be a female man, pronouns him/he but feeling feminine so I'll be dressed as a woman.
On my female man days I'll need a payrise for my imagined b*lls."

[Warmduscher]

@Katypyee

That's awesome. Good on the BBC. Causes zero harm to anybody.

Yes they really are a most excellent bunch of toadies, aren’t they?

[Quaagars]

Why does it to some come down to what you're dressed in, or whether you're paying bills as to whether you're male or female
Surely that's a very sexist, outdated look, you can be either regardless of your clothes or bill paying status fgs

[littlbrowndog]

Yeah there this doctor on the 9 am programme on bbc.

He always says pregnant people

Like wow. Stop being such a wokie beardie and give women the respect we are due

Same thing with the silly pronouns stuff

Elitist and privileged nonsense

[MiaChia]

No.

[littlbrowndog]

Privileged nonsense

[Mewmin]

If the NHS gender/sex thing above is true shouldn't they be saying pregnant females?

[ErrolTheDragon]

Why does it to some come down to what you're dressed in, or whether you're paying bills as to whether you're male or female

Bills?

[LostToucan]

@Enough4me

Do we need to add how we are feeling in too?

For example,
"I'm X, I'm a female woman, today feeling masculine, pronouns she/her. In tomorrow's meeting I'll be a female man, pronouns him/he but feeling feminine so I'll be dressed as a woman.
On my female man days I'll need a payrise for my imagined b*lls."

Are you Pips Bunce?

[Jillly]

"I just cannot see the logic here."
This is where you are going wrong.
There is no logic.
Stop looking for something you will never find.