Fairplay for Women to address Women & Equalities Select Committee hearing on GRA Reform on 21st April

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Good.

Hilarious:

twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1385110354053812226

If all you can do is create fake news and lies the joke is on the fakers and liars, because, well you are fakers and liars.

Yes, entirely.

Hilarious

That is what people who have run out of both road and reasoned argument tend to say.By this comment you are revealing far more than you most likely have the persipacity to be aware of.
'Lol's' and 'Hilarious' are for those who have run out of anything more worthwhile to add.

@Justhadathought

Hilarious

That is what people who have run out of both road and reasoned argument tend to say.By this comment you are revealing far more than you most likely have the persipacity to be aware of.
'Lol's' and 'Hilarious' are for those who have run out of anything more worthwhile to add.

Don't forget "hate group", if I had a quid for every time Trans Widows' Voices was called a hate group on Twitter on Wednesday I could fund the website for another couple of years.

Excellent letters Justhad. So exasperating the way in which they don't answer perfectly reasonable and important questions. This is par for the course - why don't they reply?

Digging a quid or two for a website sounds like a good idea.

A reply to Shiz's link

Its like the old bloke at the bar....."I've seen and heard some things in my time" Rolling on the floor laughing

This is indicative of the 87,000 people that ticked a box to disallow a woman form having the legal space and time to leave the marriage she entered into with a man.

This is the contempt they have for women. This is their attitude to women wanting dignity.

"Like the old bloke at the bar."

[quote Shizuku]Hilarious:

twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1385110354053812226[/quote]
People are really getting scared that the myths around the Soousal Exit Clause are finally being challenged, aren't they?

[quote Shizuku]Hilarious:

twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1385110354053812226[/quote]
So... a few posts above is the explanation of how well clipped that video is and ooh look. Here's @Shizuku posting as disingenuously as usual.

Do you REALLY not think we can see through that?

It only serves to make you look daft!

It only serves to make you look daft!

Not only daft, but a liar. That's all these people have got - lies. They don't have a single argument that stands up to scrutiny.

www.gendergp.com/women-and-equality-committee-gives-voice-to-anti-trans-groups/

One particularly ironic passage:

"According to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, public authorities have an obligation to take positive measures to protect human rights. These are called positive obligations.In practice, these positive obligations include, a duty to provide information to those whose rights might be at risk, so that they are in a position to take action to protect their own rights and that organisations will take effective measures to deter conduct that would breach human rights.
Given what these groups represent and their position on trans rights they clearly believe they have a voice in this debate but by giving them a voice is the Women and Equalities Committee suggesting that that they are in some way at risk from trans people"

I've been thinking quite a bit about this select committee panel, and it keeps occurring how:

1. Women's groups were not consulted in the first instance. They were not even considered to be stakeholders with an interest in the outcome.

2. How the panel of MPS came along with a particular viewpoint already formed, which was thoroughly un-researched and lacking in a more 'global' awareness of the larger range of issues.

Am I right in thinking that the panel were all Labour MPS? If so, is this normal; surely there should be a focus on cross party panels?

Also the youth of a few of the panel is a feature that is replicated across local councils now, too. I get that this is supposed to be representative move, but can't stop thinking that with youth often comes naivety and inexperience.

Not that seniority in age has benefitted some older MPS, such as Kim Johnson, who also seem to have very little real grasp of the issues, nor be able to see the contradictions in campaigning so vociferously for women's rights on one hand, yet neglecting to consider them at the exact same time.

@Justhadathought WESC is cross party (I think all select committees are meant to reflect the proportion of seats different parties have in parliament - so Tory majority) and it definitely wasn't an all Labour turn out at the session last week. I didn't watch the whole thing but I saw a couple of tories and one SNP.

@Justhadathought

www.gendergp.com/women-and-equality-committee-gives-voice-to-anti-trans-groups/

One particularly ironic passage:

"According to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, public authorities have an obligation to take positive measures to protect human rights. These are called positive obligations.In practice, these positive obligations include, a duty to provide information to those whose rights might be at risk, so that they are in a position to take action to protect their own rights and that organisations will take effective measures to deter conduct that would breach human rights.
Given what these groups represent and their position on trans rights they clearly believe they have a voice in this debate but by giving them a voice is the Women and Equalities Committee suggesting that that they are in some way at risk from trans people"

I think I can live with Gender GP's disapproval.

I didn't watch the whole thing but I saw a couple of tories and one SNP

Good! Thanks!

The members of the committee present/asking question on Wednesday were - to the best of my recollection.

Rt Hon Caroline Nokes MP - chairing
Conservative
Romsey and Southampton North

Elliot Colburn MP
Conservative
Carshalton and Wallington

Angela Crawley MP
Scottish National Party
Lanark and Hamilton East

Alex Davies-Jones MP
Labour
Pontypridd

Kim Johnson MP
Labour
Liverpool, Riverside

Kate Osborne MP
Labour
Jarrow

Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP
Labour
Streatham

Nicola Richards MP
Conservative
West Bromwich East

There's no relationship between party and their position on this issue.

There's no relationship between party and their position on this issue

Do you know how the panel were selected? did they volunteer themselves, or do they each have a special ministerial responsibility linked to the issues at hand?

Certainly a couple of the younger MPs use pronouns on their twitter account - indicating a certain disposition.

The role of a select committee is to scrutinise the work of government, and hold government to account. So none of the members will have government responsibility linked to the issues at hand.

This explains the process for election of committee chairs www.parliament.uk/about/how/committees/select/election-of-hoc-select-committee-chairs/ but by definition they can't be in govt.

Once the chairs of committee are selected, the membership of cites are
selected by their respective parties (the composition of cttee according to party is supposed to be roughly in proportion to their presence in parliament). publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm100304/debtext/100304-0017.htm#10030456000013

The role of a select committee is to scrutinise the work of government, and hold government to account. So none of the members will have government responsibility linked to the issues at hand

O.k! But it was clear that a good few had a certain level of investment in a particular position, and had put themselves forward for the role.

@Justhadathought I don't think there is a "panel" that's selected. There's just the committee and, in theory, they should turn up to all committee meetings and evidence sessions but clearly they're busy people so they don't turn up to everything. So in a sense it's self-selecting: the ones who are really interested in a topic will make more of an effort to be there.
That's how I think it works anyway but I might be wrong.

No, there is no 'panel' for a particular inquiry. There are members of the committee and they are meant to attend all meetings of the committee, but obviously competing demands means they won't all attend all meetings. This is the whole committee membership

committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/membership/