Where are the lengthy threads on...

[BeatBox6]

Where are the threads with discussions at length about DV, rape, single mothers stigma, workplace and pay discrimination, harassment and stalking, hyper sexualisation of girls, et al?

These are all problems, FEMINIST issues that have plagued me and many other women. Why aren't important issues being discussed on here regularly?

All I see is TRA threads and one last night about Disney nightwear. Yes, the gender debate is an important feminist issue. No, I am not a TRA, but aren't there other pressing issues we should be discussing at length too? Or am I missing something here?

Start one.

When I’m looking down the board, I see threads on the gender pay gap, porn, the placenta, coercive control. It’s all there, jump in and contribute!

The reason that you see a lot of trans threads is:

1)Any trans thread started elsewhere in the site get pounced on and told to fuck off back to feminist chat
2) feminists at the moment are finding it difficult to make progress on many areas of previously uncontroversial areas without constantly getting bogged down in defending and justifying what the definition of a woman is, and how single sex services ought to be delivered. When we get to the point that Hibo Wadere is scolded for excluding transwomen from her work on FGM, you have to concede that identity politics is definitely causing issues.

@GoingThruTheMotions

Start one.

I have in the past @GoingThruTheMotions And I have a discussion to start on each of the above topics. More women need to come forward about these things though, otherwise we risk being dismissed by men and disbelieved by women.

you cant discuss anything about women's issues if the definition of woman includes men

so domestic violence stats recorded by gender not sex are meaningless. DV shelters open to TW are not single sex spaces.

Workplace - if TW are included in the stats on women then how can you possibly have accurate statistics on discrimination against women in the work place? ditto how can the 'gender' they really mean sex pay gap be accurately recorded if late transitioning MtF TW are included with women and skew the statistics?

how can we discuss keeping women safe from stalking and harassment when so many women's organisations say TWAW because they say so and therefore should have access to any and all women's spaces? how do we keep women safe if that is the case? safeguarding is straight out of the window

TLDR - if the definition of women includes men then they are no more women's issues only people's issues

I can talk about most of the issues you raise pretty much anywhere, and I do. Unfortunately there are very few places where I can talk about the struggle to maintain women's sex based rights, spaces and language, so I come here to do that. I imagine it's the same for a lot of posters.

@Floisme

I can talk about most of the issues you raise pretty much anywhere, and I do. Unfortunately there are very few places where I can talk about the struggle to maintain women's sex based rights, spaces and language, so I come here to do that. I imagine it's the same for a lot of posters.

Exactly.

I also think that this topic has reinvigorated a lot of women and raised their interest in feminism again, and that energy is being channeled into all kinds of feminist action. The threat of eroded rights has reminded us that they need to be defended on all fronts.

Those issues are discussed all over the health boards and chat and AIBU.

Threads mentioning trans concerns are corralled onto the feminist boards.

Discussing where women's rights are impacted by the trans/gender ideology encapsulates every area of women's rights.

All feminist topics are impacted by trans ideology. Trans ideology threads include all areas of feminism. How can you assess the pay gap, criminalising of women, labour rights etc when statistics are now inaccurate, women's voices are silenced etc.

The 'Pippa Bunce' conversation covers washrooms, single sex facilities, women's achievements (he got a top influential women award despite being a man 50% of the time), pay gap, women's voices in meetings- I bet no one speaks over or rephrases and takes as their own Pippa's contributions, dress codes for women... when Pippa is wearing a scarlet power suit and heels, he is undermining professional women's wear.

In the last few years, I've learned more about women's rights and discrimination here that I have in 50 years of real life.

There’s a thread at the top of the list about pornography and Childline, I don’t know if you’ve seen it. That’s filling up fast.

Here you go OP, rather than criticise the lack of discussion perhap you might actually join in:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4213836-Porn-the-sexualisation-of-girls-gender-neutral-language-hides-the-harm

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4213208-Pro-porn-Childline-film-encouraging-kids-to-google-BDSM-etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4213741-Bullshit-excuses-and-explanations-for-the-gender-pay-gap

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4007012-Ammonite-Mary-Anning-Film?pg=3

I could post more for you other topics but wasn't going to do any more work for you than scrolling down the first half of the front page. The fact you couldn't be bothered to look even that far suggests you are just here to scold women for talking about the wrong things.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4208541-Normalisation-of-sex-work

Welcome to MN OP. Maybe you haven't been round long enough to realise that the issues you suggest are debated in great detail. Often on other threads. Given that MN is largely comprised of women (with a few TW, men and TM) these issues don't tend to be restricted to FWR.

are we not discussing stuff rite?

all the sads

Some of the lengthy threads fill up quickly because there is so much derailing.

Perhaps you should AS, op, for the topics you're interested in. As others have noted, they're discussed across the boards, not just on FWR.

@BeatBox6

Where are the threads with discussions at length about DV, rape, single mothers stigma, workplace and pay discrimination, harassment and stalking, hyper sexualisation of girls, et al?

These are all problems, FEMINIST issues that have plagued me and many other women. Why aren't important issues being discussed on here regularly?

All I see is TRA threads and one last night about Disney nightwear. Yes, the gender debate is an important feminist issue. No, I am not a TRA, but aren't there other pressing issues we should be discussing at length too? Or am I missing something here?

I’ve seen multiple attempts to discuss issues affecting women on social media derailed by trans activists insisting women centre transwomen.

You will get shouted down op but you are 100% correct. The feminism board has just become the trans board. It’s no value to anyone. Same “discussion” rehashed a million times.

I think it's very important to realise that on a female-dominated board, feminism happens all across the site.

Subjects that would be roundly consigned as "niche" and placed in the "feminism topic" on a more male-dominated forum gets discussed in chat, or AIBU here. For example, I've learnt so much about domestic violence, its prevalence, and the stages of escalation from threads in... Am I Being Unreasonable!

So on MN, what gets corralled in feminism chat instead are threads about the impact on women's rights from initiatives that centre transgender issues.

And yet here you are @Regularsizedrudy?

So on MN, what gets corralled in feminism chat instead are threads about the impact on women's rights from initiatives that centre transgender issues.

Agreed.

And it's certainly notable that there's a fair amount of research on community disruption. Some published studies report that posters who are interested in disruption rather than topics might post a substantial amount on the topics where they are able to create controversy, heat or light. The secondary gain of obtaining responses etc. can be reward enough to continue the behaviour which is not necessarily relevant to the topic.

Some research links here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

This has always been one of the deep frustrations of mumsnet. The FWR is a one-issue board.