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[BeatBox6]

Where are the threads with discussions at length about DV, rape, single mothers stigma, workplace and pay discrimination, harassment and stalking, hyper sexualisation of girls, et al?

These are all problems, FEMINIST issues that have plagued me and many other women. Why aren't important issues being discussed on here regularly?

All I see is TRA threads and one last night about Disney nightwear. Yes, the gender debate is an important feminist issue. No, I am not a TRA, but aren't there other pressing issues we should be discussing at length too? Or am I missing something here?

@Regularsizedrudy

You will get shouted down op but you are 100% correct. The feminism board has just become the trans board. It’s no value to anyone. Same “discussion” rehashed a million times.

Then you are not reading much of it with an open mind,

It reads like an anti trans board if you don't see how directly, immediately and intimately connected the support of trans people to gain more rights is to women losing theirs.

It reads like an anti trans board if you believe trans people should have more rights, and be the premierchohort above anyone else, than any other cohort.

It reads like an anti trans board if you believe, or allow others to beleive, that transwomen are women, transmen are men. And that is the fundamental issues that muddies all other waters.

It reads like an anti trans board if you don't think that words have meaning, that biology is immutable and tha gender is a social constrcut, harmfuj to all.

That same discussion that gets rehashed all the time is usually a repsonse to something mnew and immediate that is happening, usually a response to a new assualt on the rights of women.

That you see so many threads on it should alarm you, should open your eyes to the changes on laws that are happening all around us, that remove the dignity and safety of all women and girls.

It reads like an anti trans board if you don't see the value in protecting the rights of women and girls

It reads like an anti trans board if you don't see the value in women, full stop!

What sophocles said. There has been a move to only allow trans discussion on this board and it does drown out ability to discuss other feminist issues. But also, when we do try those threads get swarmed with MRAs and NAMALTing. It's extremely frustrating but the outcome of MNHQ policies rather than posters.
I miss the old board a lot TBH

I mean, this board is the only place on MNHQ that supports trans discussions, not that we can't discuss feminism

Unless you mean the issue of FWR, feminism is not a one issue board. Before self id was proposed, trans was a minor topic on FWR.

It's extremely frustrating but the outcome of MNHQ policies rather than posters.

Perhaps this thread might be better in Site Stuff where the OP might enquire further as to the impact of such policies on the FWR.

Sorry, my post was replying to Cloud.

Anyone who feels I'm feministing wrong is more than welcome to lead by their own, personal, shining example.

I’ve started discussions on this bored on the following topics and had good response:

• the use of language when describing cloths as ‘modest’

And

• casual sexism experienced everyday

I’ve also commented on threads about the experience of women in China and prostitutes across the world.

Really interesting thread on online “sex work”

I read the TRA threads and have learnt so much, but now don’t read them as much.

Though saying that the pronoun discussions are helpful as I am currently having to deal with that IRL.

I know BeatBox6, isn’t it crazy?

That we live in an era where we have to fight to retain our definition of woman, and even the word female, to be able to progress our campaign to ensure women and girls have the same opportunities as males, regardless of how they identify!! I never thought I would see this.

But. I will say this. It is your choice to ignore the conflicts where the rights of one group dilute or take priority over those rights set up to protect women and girl from any type of discrimination due to their sexed bodies. Or to stand and actively fight to ensure our rights are fully upheld. Whether it is safety, dignity, health, opportunities in employment, education and sport, even being able to use the word you wish to describe yourself, or any other of the issues.

If you have read these threads and do not agree, say something.

But if you understand what is happening, and want to ignore it, that is fine. Just don’t shame others, people like me who want to secure the rights I had for my family.

Also I always like reading the ‘other’ threads. So please do start one!

@BeatBox6 You are so so right, it's all gender critical threads about transgender people. It's completely depressing.

And OP, this thread no doubt will turn into another Transphobic thread!

Is it Not In the Spirit of MN to observe that I came across this thread after checking on the progress of my own?

I observe that a lot of names are here, opining on how this board is boringly all about trans, but none of you are on my thread, at the time of writing!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4214879-Woman-loses-case-against-newspaper-that-published-nude-photos-of-her

@PotholeHellhole

I think it's very important to realise that on a female-dominated board, feminism happens all across the site.

Subjects that would be roundly consigned as "niche" and placed in the "feminism topic" on a more male-dominated forum gets discussed in chat, or AIBU here. For example, I've learnt so much about domestic violence, its prevalence, and the stages of escalation from threads in... Am I Being Unreasonable!

So on MN, what gets corralled in feminism chat instead are threads about the impact on women's rights from initiatives that centre transgender issues.

This is absolutely true.

I was very active for years on a male-dominated board that had a Feminism sub topic. Anything vaguely related to women went in there: not just the things you'd expect in feminism like women's representation, domestic abuse, the pay gap, but also things that were relevant to the women who participated in this hobby such as availability of women specific kit.

After a little while it became a general social justice dumping ground, and threads on disability, LGBT+ and race issues also got moved to Feminism.

Once in a while there would be a plaintive thread on "how can we encourage more women / BME people / disabled people into " which would..... be moved to Feminism.

That doesn't happen here. If it did, the number of trans threads here would be dwarfed by 90% of Relationships, quite a lot of Chat and AIBU, alongside the whole of Black Mumsnetters and the SEN boards.

@Skyliner001

And OP, this thread no doubt will turn into another Transphobic thread!

Only if your definition of transphobia is a belief that there are conflicts between the rights of two groups.

That definition I have certainly seen in some political party policies.

I just had a look. Wouldn't comment on that as its a US case and I'm in the UK. I find a lot 9f US attitudes baffling and get annoyed by the overpowering cultural hegemony of assuming US = the whole world, so I tend to steer away

@QuentinWinters

I just had a look. Wouldn't comment on that as its a US case and I'm in the UK. I find a lot 9f US attitudes baffling and get annoyed by the overpowering cultural hegemony of assuming US = the whole world, so I tend to steer away

Likewise although I'd read it before this thread.

Are we womaning wrong?

Where are the threads with discussions at length about DV, rape, single mothers stigma, workplace and pay discrimination, harassment and stalking, hyper sexualisation of girls, et al?

All those things get discussed here, on AIBU, and in Relationships. A friend of mine once described MN as one of the most feminist websites on the 'net.

But you know, the attempt to redefine what it is to be a woman and female, the attempts to excise the word 'woman' from public discourse - these are political tactics which seek to erase women/girls as a sex class.

Have a look at what's happening in Ireland - the words 'woman' or 'female' do not appear in several pieces of legislation which are actually about female biology. Things that can only happen to women.

So the pushback against Men's rights activism masquerading as "inclusivity" is absolutely fundamental to all other feminist campaigns. If we can't name ourselves and organise as a sex class, we can't do much else.

Am I looking at a different board to some posters? I can see a wide range of threads, but as they say if you are looking for one thing you will see it everywhere you look.

Yes, I tend to follow and contribute to DV discussions more on the Relationships board. It has been a great resource.

I agree it's worth bringing up in Site Stuff to query why discussions related to trans must be corralled here. It's not solely down to the interests of FWR posters, in other words.

QuentinWinters and EmbarrassingAdmissions Not an unreasonable viewpoint, when you're also not complaining that the board only has threads about trans topics.

Something that alarms me is that the paper doing this seems to be our own Daily Mail though.

The problem is the obsession with it. It's important and I'm totally on board but it's at a loss of energy to other important issues. The people I know in RL that discuss it a lot are equally as single tracked about it.

Ok. To the posters who ask why not start a thread about a topic/the topics I mentioned in my OP. That's because discussing, particularly seeking advice, on here on experiences I've had relating to those specific feminist issues would be extremely outing for me.

I'm not disputing that the Gender debate overshadows almost every element of women and girls rights, just that there are so many other issues that need debating without the whole Trans issue derailing specific feminist topics every time. Makes sense in my mind, anyway.

It might also help to keep on checking who is doing the derailing.

That has been something of an eye opener for me. That people bother coming here to disrupt threads is something I don't understand.

I mean, we're only women....

just that there are so many other issues that need debating without the whole Trans issue derailing specific feminist topics every time. Makes sense in my mind, anyway.

And those debates happen. As others have said repeatedly, they're simply not confined to FWR. Because this is a site with a mainly female membership so there's no need to classify such debates like Reddit does as they affect everyone here.