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Pro-porn Childline film encouraging kids to google BDSM etc

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Sunkisses · 07/04/2021 16:20

Jeez, just seen this from the Safe Schools Alliance UK on twitter. Six years ago Childline produced this pro-porn film which is basically an advert for PornHub masquerading as a child protection resource. It tells children that porn is "fun" & recommends genres like BDSM to google. It's had over 3 million views in the last 6 years, and goodness knows how much it has contributed to the rape culture we are now seeing in schools. It is illegal for under 18s to view porn, and children should be taught this and the harms of pornography, not encouraged to view it with a nod, nod, wink, wink attitude.

You can view the Safe Schools Alliance UK tweet here: twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1379528765261381634

SSAUK are calling on Childline and the NSPCC (who run Childline) to take this film down.

The Government should bring in age-verification for online porn ASAP to prevent children having easy access to online porn. All the laws have been passed, and the regulatory framework is in place. The Government bottled it at the last minute in 2019 after facing pressure from the powerful porn industry. Our children deserve better.

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ErrolTheDragon · 07/04/2021 22:35

@ASugarr

'Child pornography' is the term most commonly used with the media which is why many of those who work with young people use it as its the most common term to them. I understand that porn isn't "made for children" and that any porn with a minor is sexual abuse and illegal. However it is just the most commonly used term.
It's a term which anyone who has given it much thought, and certainly after it's inappropriateness has been pointed out, should forcibly reject not defend.

This is the feminism board on a parenting website. 'Child porn' is for many of us a completely unacceptable euphemism for images of child sex abuse. Call it what it is.

Mibbiesaye · 07/04/2021 22:37

That abstract is from 2010. No one working with children today would ever use that phrase.

titchy · 07/04/2021 22:37

@ASugarr

'Child pornography' is the term most commonly used with the media which is why many of those who work with young people use it as its the most common term to them. I understand that porn isn't "made for children" and that any porn with a minor is sexual abuse and illegal. However it is just the most commonly used term.
And thus you are part of the problem. Angry
adviceseekingnamechanger · 07/04/2021 22:38

@ASugarr

'Child pornography' is the term most commonly used with the media which is why many of those who work with young people use it as its the most common term to them. I understand that porn isn't "made for children" and that any porn with a minor is sexual abuse and illegal. However it is just the most commonly used term.
It's funny isn't it? I know you'd argue misgendering and the use of language is harmful for trans people. But some journal refers to 'child pornography' and that somehow makes that language fine and official. But it's been pointed out what an awful and incorrect term it is but you're fine with that? It is not pornography. It is filmed rape.

I think you are a good person with good intentions but you need to understand this is the wrong term, the same as you would imagine tell someone referring to a TW as male is wrong @ASugarr

NiceGerbil · 07/04/2021 22:40

As a tangent, and I don't know if anyone has any thoughts.

I find it fascinating how threads on MN about porn or prostitution almost always attract a bunch of posters who seem interested only in that topic.

The posting pattern is always pretty similar:

Everyone does it
It's completely normal
Loads of people doing it enjoy it, good money
All men do it
If they say they don't they're lying
You're old fashioned/ a prude/ being cheated on/ etc etc

There's never any attempt to engage with any of the arguments. Just a blanket ITS FINE AND NORMAL SHUT UP.

why do they do this? What do they hope to gain. There is pretty much zero danger that porn or paying for sex will become impossible to do any time soon or even far off.
So why is it so vital to some to come on here and argue the toss (ha!)?

I don't really understand the psychology.

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/04/2021 22:41

If anyone advised my child to go off and search the internet for that list of 'genres' mentioned back in the thread, I'd be reporting them to the police, no hesitation, regardless of their profession.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 22:42

Ok. I got it.

Child pornography is the term used by mainstream media so it is fine to use.

A video that sends very confusing messages about porn consumption but leaves with a breezy ‘porn is fun’ ‘porn is fine’ message for children is also fit for the purpose of explaining the negative aspects of porn consumption (which it barely touches on).

There is NO research offered by any poster who claims this video is good for teaching purposes that shows the positive benefits of porn consumption for under 18s.

Well, I am convinced. I am sure all those reading along are too.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 07/04/2021 22:43

Child porn is the most commonly used term used, yes. IN PORN.

I thought you had a pro trans agenda because of your trans brother, Asugarr, but it seems you also have a pro porn agenda and are here to educate us on that too. How very...progressive.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/04/2021 22:43

There are some very questionable personalities and resources going into sex education in schools. Thread from 2019 (I believe this content was removed due to pressure from women on MN and subsequent media attention)

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3701737-Teen-advice-makes-me-worried

littlbrowndog · 07/04/2021 22:44

No asugarr

Stop this chat about child porn

You should not be teaching this to anyone

You should be sacked if you ever said this to any child you teach

It’s child sexual abuse

What is wrong with you ?

Try and be better and look at this has a chance to be educated instead of hurting children who may be in your class and been abused and just be told they are taking part in child porn

Shocking and very disengeous

ASugarr · 07/04/2021 22:44

@littlbrowndog

No asugarr

Stop this chat about child porn

You should not be teaching this to anyone

You should be sacked if you ever said this to any child you teach

It’s child sexual abuse

What is wrong with you ?

Try and be better and look at this has a chance to be educated instead of hurting children who may be in your class and been abused and just be told they are taking part in child porn

Shocking and very disengeous

Sorry about it 🤍
Mugginyouleftrightandcentre · 07/04/2021 22:48

Why would anyone ever try to normalise the term 'child porn'? WTF?!

NiceGerbil · 07/04/2021 22:50

'why many of those who work with young people use it as its the most common term to them.'

And again.. What age?

Childline is for all under 19. And the ads etc aim at a fairly young audience.

It is wrong to assume that all children know that grown ups make films of children being raped, and share them on the internet for other grown ups to masturbate over.

Some children will not have heard of this before and it's pretty upsetting info.
Some children may know only too well that some grown ups like raping children and also find it upsetting to be discussed.

These things should be approached from the perspective of the child.

cabletoss · 07/04/2021 22:50

Throwing in a small opinion - pornography is not innately unhealthy, but the porn industry is. Just wanted to make that distinction because I've read some people conflate the two and I don't agree with that.

However, I agree that teaching young viewers about different genres of porn is too much, on top of glossing over the "dark side" - I think Tom (the creator) has mentioned his regrets about these videos? If I remember correctly he said he was proud of the videos in his sex series, but he stated he shouldn't have put them on his main platform as his viewbase is predominantly children.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/04/2021 22:51

@Mugginyouleftrightandcentre

Why would anyone ever try to normalise the term 'child porn'? WTF?!
I think it's possible to use a term without really thinking about what it means. But surely this is one which, as soon as it's pointed out how inappropriate it is, no decent person would want to defend or continue using.
cabletoss · 07/04/2021 22:53

Found the video I was referencing!

RabbitOfCaerbannog · 07/04/2021 22:53

Throwing in a small opinion - pornography is not innately unhealthy, but the porn industry is. Just wanted to make that distinction because I've read some people conflate the two and I don't agree with that.

How do you separate them?

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 22:56

@Mugginyouleftrightandcentre

Why would anyone ever try to normalise the term 'child porn'? WTF?!
Even worse!

What group of people who are dealing on a daily basis with children, some of whom are CSA victims, use it to discuss CSA using the term ‘porn’ which they leave a lasting message of ‘its fun and fine’ despite needing to focus on the negative aspects of porn? (Imagine telling a child or a teen that alcohol was fun and fine and thinking ‘excellent job done. Because alcohol can be given to children in some instances that are ‘legal’. I say this because it is something this video states, watching porn is not illegal for under 18s and is fine in moderation....

And this is a group of people who should be the leaders in child safeguarding?

And they are normalizing the use of that terminology? Ffs.

RabbitOfCaerbannog · 07/04/2021 22:58

Fashion isn't innately unhealthy, but exploiting poor people to create it is. There are plenty of Pomo progressives eschewing "fast fashion". Why isn't it obvious that we should do the same with porn?

RabbitOfCaerbannog · 07/04/2021 22:59

That was a flippant apology, but I think it highlights the hypocrisy to some small degree.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 23:00

Throwing in a small opinion - pornography is not innately unhealthy, but the porn industry is. Just wanted to make that distinction because I've read some people conflate the two and I don't agree with that.

For under 18s?

Maybe you have the evidence I asked other posters for? Studies that show it has positive benefits for under 18s to consume porn.

That is the sole topic of this thread. Under 18 consumption of porn.

OhHolyJesus · 07/04/2021 23:00

Child pornography is the term used by mainstream media so it is fine to use.

The BBC also referred to "child prostitutes"
On the Breakfast programme. Not victims of sex trafficking. Child prostitutes. They received a lot of complaints on that one.

Mainstream media might report on a story where a teacher has an 'underage lover'.

Doesn't make it ok though does it? For one it's not accurate.

But surely this is one which, as soon as it's pointed out how inappropriate it is, no decent person would want to defend or continue using.

No decent person indeed.

littlbrowndog · 07/04/2021 23:01

Jeez just watched that vid from Tom Scott

His chat is so bad. Fast fast fast. Blah blah. Done my head in

Why does he have a backdrop of guns and rifles ?

littlbrowndog · 07/04/2021 23:02

His message went staight past me apart from his constant irritating blah blah

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