''Inmates say guards have warned them that “men are coming” and to expect sexual violence.''

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California prisons begin moving hundreds of transgender women requesting transfer under new law

www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-05/california-prisons-consider-gender-identity-housing-requests

Archived version archive.md/9T3zo#selection-1983.9-1983.104

I know we've talked a lot already about prisons, but this just makes me sick. Those poor women :(

From the article:

But more than two hours away, at the Central California Women’s Facility in Chowchilla, there’s fear. Inmates say guards have warned them that “men are coming” and to expect sexual violence.

“That if we think it’s bad now, be prepared for the worst. That it’s going to be off the hook, it’s going to be jumping,” Tomiekia Johnson, 41, said staffers have told her. “They say we’re going to need a facility that’s going to be like a maternity ward. They say we’re going to have an inmate program where inmates become nannies.”

Any women showing concern are 'transphobic' and need to be ''educated''.

Although advocates and inmates say the transfers have been received well, several claim that misinformation spread by prison staffers is stirring up transphobia and that more must be done to educate inmates.

Transwomen need and deserve to be kept safe too, that should go without saying, but putting one vulnerable group in danger to keep another safe is not the answer. Predators absolutely will exploit this.

I hope a class action lawsuit is on the horizon, but how many women will have to be harmed before it comes to that?

“The complaints from the cis [gender] women here are that these are men coming here and they’ve been traumatized by men and so they shouldn’t have to live with them,” said Concepcion, 51. “I have repeatedly said that they’re women, but their anger gets directed towards me.”

ffs

The claim is that TWAW because there is no such thing as rigid sex categories and there should not be sex based thinking, so women cannot have sex based facilities.

However every single inch of the practice that follows that declaration shows absolutely rigidly entrenched sex based thinking. And phenomenally sexist sex based thinking, in which the intrinsic value of one sex is infinitely greater than the other sex.

In fact based on bitter experience of being female in this day and age, I would have to question if there was a genuine belief that TWWW, as in just as any other women, if this would ever have got beyond a few letters in a governor's waste paper basket, never mind actual action taking place.

Women don't get listened to. Women don't get the courtesy of anyone caring what risks they are at or how unsafe they feel. Women get told to shut up, put up, and put others first.

Women would have been told to #bekind and humane to the male prisoners and to stop being bigoted about how they were being treated by them because NAMALT.

“I have repeatedly said that they’re women, but their anger gets directed towards me.”

I wonder why? Don't appreciate being gaslighted with misogynistic nonsense, perhaps?

In fact based on bitter experience of being female in this day and age, I would have to question if there was a genuine belief that TWWW, as in just as any other women, if this would ever have got beyond a few letters in a governor's waste paper basket, never mind actual action taking place.

Exactly.

Women have to be 'educated' to accept more oppression by men - this time, by men who think they are women. Right-oh.

@DoingItMyself

Women have to be 'educated' to accept more oppression by men - this time, by men who think they are women. Right-oh.

It is "trans women" and their supporters who need to be educated. No biological male becomes a biological female, has no idea of this issue, women have a simple right to private spaces totally away from biological males.

How can anyone believe otherwise. We all have equal rights, and biological males have a right to be protected, in a male prison, where they cannot be a threat to women.

Whatever their crime, they KNOW they are biologically male, they know that prisons are separate by sex.. NOT by how people "feel".

how many examples do we need to see before common sense is respected?

@AvocadoBathroom

“The complaints from the cis [gender] women here are that these are men coming here and they’ve been traumatized by men and so they shouldn’t have to live with them,” said Concepcion, 51. “I have repeatedly said that they’re women, but their anger gets directed towards me.”

ffs

Tom chivers has written a good piece on this today saying that discussions on this and other topics are almost impossible because people unilaterally redefine words to mean something different, attack you for using the definition that everyone else understands it to be & then when the position becomes indefensible shift the goalposts.

unherd.com/2021/04/nobody-will-win-the-culture-wars/

So you all think you’re discussing tables & then someone turns up and defines a table as an 12 sided object floating in the air, insists that’s what a table has always been & the old definition of table is no longer valid

About 25% California’s female prison population is Black, five times what it should be relative to the proportion of Black women in California. The real kicker is that I bet the people who pushed for this legislative change are the same people who’ll have ‘Black Lives Matter’ taglines in their social media bios and claim to be advocates for social justice. But when it comes to actually listening to a very vulnerable population of Black people - incarcerated women, many of whom are abuse survivors - they couldn’t care less because it doesn’t fit with their right-on agenda.

I noticed too that the article mentions the previous trauma the female prison population has had due to male violence. None of that matters! They just need to be educated and trained to understand the complex needs of their new cell mates. Forget about educating and training the male prison population not to rape and abuse others. Once again, women have to move aside to accommodate the needs of others who are deemed to be more deserving.

The real kicker is that I bet the people who pushed for this legislative change are the same people who’ll have ‘Black Lives Matter’ taglines in their social media bios and claim to be advocates for social justice. But when it comes to actually listening to a very vulnerable population of Black people - incarcerated women, many of whom are abuse survivors - they couldn’t care less because it doesn’t fit with their right-on agenda.

YY.

I noticed too that the article mentions the previous trauma the female prison population has had due to male violence.

In an astonishingly dismissive way.

*Keep Prisons Single Sex' international section:
'California'
(extract)

"The USA has no national laws regarding gender identity (yet) and each state does things very differently. California is the largest state by population and has the largest population of incarcerated women. They also have the weakest legal protections for females, in favour of “gender identity” policies. As such, California is a good proxy for the USA as a whole and a fairly accurate representation of where the nation will end up if it keeps down this path.

The issues facing women in prison in California, including their offending patterns, vulnerabilities and needs mirror those faced by women in prison in the UK. The number of women in prison in California is approximately 15,000. This is around 9.5% of the total prison population.

The law on gender recognition

An individual may apply to any Superior Court for a court order to change their gender.

There is no requirement for a diagnosis of dysphoria nor any medical or surgical reassignment. There is no requirement to have ‘lived’ in the acquired gender for any period of time. Self-ID is sufficient. Applicants are not required to make any declaration, save that the application is not made for any fraudulent purpose. No supplementary documentation is required to support the application. The application for is a single page asking for a minimal amount of personal information. Unless a written objection is filed within 28 days of the filing of the petition, showing good cause for opposing a court order recognizing the change in gender, the court will grant the petition without a hearing.

If the judge approves the request to change gender, the judge will sign the Order Recognizing Change of Gender and for Issuance of New Birth Certificate. This can be used to obtain a new birth certificate with the sex marker changed to reflect the new gender. However, a court ordered recognition of gender change is not required in order to change a California driver's license, social security card, or U.S. passport. It is also not required to have a new birth certificate issued reflecting a change of gender. Interestingly, the link provided by California Courts to obtain information about how to do this takes you to the Transgender Law Center. TLC describes itself as “the largest national trans-led organization advocating for a world in which all people are free to define themselves and their futures.”

The process for changing name is separate to the process for changing gender: if the applicant also wants to change name, a separate court order must be applied for.

Parents/legal guardians may also apply on behalf of a child to change that child’s gender.

Single-sex spaces

There is no specific legislation that mandates for single-sex spaces and there are no laws that protect, for example, single-sex bathrooms or locker rooms in public places. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 has a provision for sex-segregated bathrooms, but the regulatory agency produced regulations on “gender-separated” bathrooms instead.

The courts have been increasingly interpreting “sex” as the same as “gender identity” and this is likely to both continue and increase. This means that “women” in civil rights law no longer necessarily means “adult human female” and can mean someone who identifies as a woman." (continues)

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/california

With those numbers WHY can there not be a separate transwomen's facility or wing within the male estate?

Same reason TRAs don’t demand separate toilets etc. That wouldn’t be validating. They have to feel they’re being treated as women (though not underpaid, ignored etc).

All this because people are seriously trying to deny truth and fact. And forcing everyone else to go along with the lie too.

@Ninkanink

All this because people are seriously trying to deny truth and fact. And forcing everyone else to go along with the lie too.

Exactly this ^^

Well said @Ninkanink... we are being forced to appease. Stating the obvious is seen as bigotry and "trans phobia"

In reality no one has an irrational fear [ Phobia] of a trans person.

In reality facts and truth is not bigotry.

Common sense, common decency and respect for women's rights must prevail.

“When asked whether inmates in the men’s prisons trying to manipulate the transfer system has been a significant issue, Thornton said that “a person’s gender identity is self-reported and CDCR will evaluate any request submitted by an incarcerated person for gender-based housing.”

This from the article says it all about how prison staff will decide whether a prisoner is “genuinely” transgender or not. Gender is self-ID therefore anyone who says they are trans, is. If a male says he’s female, he is. No need to question the motivation behind it or if there are reasons why this individual might want to get into the female estate. Acceptance without exception.

This is genuinely sickening. Surely there should be human rights which stop women being locked up with men, no matter how those men feel inside or like to dress.

@zzizzer

This is genuinely sickening. Surely there should be human rights which stop women being locked up with men, no matter how those men feel inside or like to dress.

Spot on @zzizzer

would seem common sense and common decency.
It is surely a no brainer to keep biological men away from women in female only prisons?
Sadly "trans rights" now appear to have become special rights that can stamp out women's rights?

Why? oh yes, they are biological men! what a surprise ?

They can undermine female sports, and gain access to female only spaces... surely society knew that ?

And frankly isn't it telling that the men can opt out of being sexualised or attacked by other men, but women have absolutely no recourse.

Its times like these I wish I'd made something of myself so that I could speak out and perhaps make a difference.

If a man is serving a life sentence and facing the prospect of never having sex again, it’s plausible that he’d consider self-identifying as female in order to have access to women in women’s prisons. I can’t believe they haven’t realised this.

@MimiPigeon

If a man is serving a life sentence and facing the prospect of never having sex again, it’s plausible that he’d consider self-identifying as female in order to have access to women in women’s prisons. I can’t believe they haven’t realised this.

vast majority of people realise this, but sadly we are all pressured to appease the belief that they are women!

No one dare stand up and state the obvious . Modern day "emperor's new clothes"

All such men will find easiest way to do their time, and sex offenders are playing this game, prison is not there to bow to their demands, they knew the consequences of the crime.

Now we see them getting access to female only spaces, sadly many female prisoners are vulnerable and should be protected just as any other woman. NOT exposed to biological males who have often committed sex crimes already ...

And frankly isn't it telling that the men can opt out of being sexualised or attacked by other men, but women have absolutely no recourse.

Yes funny that.

I find this so upsetting.

How can women and their needs mean so little that policy makers - they know this is going to actually cause harm- physical, sexual, mental and emotional, and they still don’t care.

@UppityPuppity

And frankly isn't it telling that the men can opt out of being sexualised or attacked by other men, but women have absolutely no recourse.

Yes funny that.

I find this so upsetting.

How can women and their needs mean so little that policy makers - they know this is going to actually cause harm- physical, sexual, mental and emotional, and they still don’t care.

Sadly women's rights are clearly secondary ?

Men's rights to be accepted as women, although biological nonsense, is appeased, this clearly discriminates against every woman.

These imprisoned women deserve the full right to private spaces away from men,

The prison service and justice (Home office) need to get priorities right. Sadly most are male civil servants who feel they have to appease PC madness.

Madness. Shame on them all.. and ANY woman who believes such men should be allowed in female prisons.

The prison service and justice (Home office) need to get priorities right Sadly most are male civil servants who feel they have to appease PC madness.

I don't think it is because they feel they have to appease PC madness rather it is that they genuinely do not care one iota about women, they are misogynistic to their very core, only men and their wants and wishes are worthy of consideration. The only women who make the grade as second class citizens in their view are the ones who agree with them, put men's wants and wishes at the top of the pile and are craven and submissive to the mighty male, the rest of us don't qualify.

[quote andyoldlabour]Biological male accused of rape in a women's prison and the governor rules out transferring them back to the male prison.
I think the World has gone mad.

nationalfile.com/transgender-inmate-accused-of-rape-in-womens-prison-facility/[/quote]
All of this is just utterly incomprehensible, it’s grotesque.
Reclaim the streets, sort out the rape culture in schools - then lock them away with some other poor women.

At the very end of that article there was also this:
“In Iowa, a child sex offender, who transitioned behind bars, is set to be released after his testosterone levels dropped so much following a gender transition that his likelihood to reoffend was significantly reduced.”